Joy Boy is the most disgraceful P4P #1 in history.

I don't think this proves anything. As well as this, its highly misleading by listing losses along with victories, in comparison to an undefeated fighter.

 

If he fights Cotto he will get my full respect. Right now; yes, he is pissing me off like you wouldn't believe. But lets hold off here, he may just be waiting for Cotto to make a bigger name so theres more interest involved. My god though I hope he doesn't re-match Hatton for ****s sake....

 

Floyd is one of the best fighters I ever seen in my life, but he needs to fight Cotto no question and make money like we all now he will get against him. No one will probably talk about him again, if Cotto looks good against Margo. So when Floyd says Cotto needs to build his fanbase that bull. Because you and everyone knows if that fight gets signed it will be so much hype for it. Plus the Ricans will love it and probably will sell more than Hatton vs Floyd in the STATES

 

Which is exactly why I said 'draw whatever conclusions you want out of it'. I made this to spark debate, not to prove anything.

 

Fair enough then...

 

I think he wasted some good years between Castillo II and Judah. A good three years on mediocre to average opponents. And now after finally shutting some criticism, he's looking for just big paydays. He's basically phoned it in since 135.

 

FMJ does need to fight Cotto, and i'm sure he will. To call him the most disgraceful p4p champion in the sport is a complete joke. Based on what? His opposition in recent years hasn't been fantastic, but still very credible. Beating Oscar at 154 for a much smaller fighter is a GREAT achievement. Beating an undefeated Hatton, with wins over KT, and world titles in two divisions, with a heap of defences is a GREAT achievement. Beating an undefeated Corrales, in a boxing masterclass who in his prime was an extremely dangerous fighter, was a GREAT achievement.

 

Agree totally... But overall, still a great champion, with some excellent wins for sure.

 

But at 140 Tszyu was hurt for a while and Hatton didn't want none at the time. That fight would had meant something at the time also

 

That sums his up in a nutshell right now. He's one of the greats, just not at the level of the Duran's and Leonard's of the world.

 

Jones was bashed without end on this very site when he was P4P king. You clearly dont know the history of boxing if you think that everyone was impressed with Robinson. Ray was attacked often, and was called a ducker, and a guy that only wanted easy fights on his terms.

Fact is that who ever is p4p is bash. Whitaker, DeLahoya, Jones, Chavez, toney, Leonard. Every single p4p king in my life time got the very bling hatred that you now give to Floyd. "Oh, they dont fight nobody" "Oh he is ducking everyone" "Oh he wont take the fight with the guy that can beat him"

I have heard those complaints about all the fighters that I listed. And like all the others once Floyd is gone or closing in on the end people will reflect on his career and say the same things that they now say about Jones, Whitaker, chavez, Delahoya and toney. Not sure that he will be as highly thought of as the sugar's.

 

"Best fighters either did too little, others are just starting to come out..." dude, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle...

Whether the place to hold is weak or not, you're, for one, still sitting on top - bottom line, black&white... Grey zones are for pussies.

Now how PBF compares with former P4P champs is difficult to assess, especially if we accept as true that the former is facing weaker opposition than the latters.

Here, the operative word is "emulation" , phenomenon by which stronger opposition helps achieve one's full potential. Question: has PBF ever reached his full potential? If not, corollary question: is there a chance that he would have become a better boxer had he fought in a different era, one that is supposedly stronger than the current one?

Think this one through and you might get a better idea of where PBF stands in the history of boxing, duh!

 

Who did SRR duck with about 200 fights thats hard to believe. What fighter? I need the knowledge

 

disgraceful or not that doesn't erase the fact that he is p4p#1 king. And oh..even if he does lose the slot of p4p #1, pac clearly gets the spot and not calzaghe. You can argue that pac lose hi last fight but its a clear win in the record books.

Floyd is still clearly the best currently:deal

 

God, talk about gross over-estimation.

Last P4P elite before Floyd Mayweather Jr? Bernard Hopkins, Bernard's most credible opponents during his reign as #1 P4P? Jermain Taylor (prior to De La Hoya, Bernard wasn't #1)

P4P elite before that? ODLH - who did he fight during his reign as #1? Ok, we're getting somewhere, Oscar always took the hard fights, but he also got the big money to do it and it was always against other noted fighters.

P4P elite before that? RJJ Jr - who spent just as long as anyone else as P4P #1 but while he was there, was fighting off challengers like Montell Griffin and Reggie Johnson - solid, but not world class.

Floyd on the other hand fought a title holder at 140 (Gatti), former undisputed 147lber (Judah), the current undisputed 147lb (Baldomir), a title holder at 154 (De La Hoya) and the undisputed man at 140 (Hatton) with plans for him to rematch De La Hoya who gave him his closest fight ever a year ago.

Anyone saying "Floyd isn't fighting top fighters" is ****ing mad. Sure he hasn't fought Cotto or Margarito but other than those two names, who is left at 140-154 that is worth him fighting?