Juan Manuel Márquez vs. Orlando Salido: The Lost Masterclass That Time And The Fans Forgot.

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  1. CST80

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    Juan Manuel Márquez vs. Orlando Salido 12 Rounds @ Featherweight, September 18, 2004.

    For the IBF World Featherweight and WBA Super World Featherweight Titles of Juan Manuel.


    Round 1 Marquez 10-9

    Salido for once not eager in the least to barrel through an opponent, chooses to play it safe, he cautiously tries to find his range and close the distance, being countered several times with rights from Marquez. A very tactical fel out round, not much action.

    Round 2 Marquez 10-9

    Salido is playing it so safe, he's trying to bait Marquez in to land a counter punch on him, Marquez not taking the bait, occasionally landing straight rights, Salido gets through with 2 or 3 left hooks, which Marquez immediately answers. Salido goes down before bell, its correctly ruled a slip.


    Round 3 Marquez 10-9

    Marquez getting antsy starts pushing the pace, coming forward working behind his jab landing straight rights, Salido starts occasionally firing back with flurries to the body and up top, Marquez gets the best of them countering him with clean crisp hooks. Salido is getting a little braver, he's jabbing more and winging in overhands, none really land clean.

    Round 4 Marquez 10-9

    Finally the real Orlando Salido shows his face, he's pressing forward winging in overhands, and throwing out a long jab, unfortunately not having a hell of a lo of success with either, Marquez is controlling the range too well and landing counter rights on Siri as he wildly lunges, although not putting everything into the lunges, diminishing the effects of Marquez's counters.

    Round 5 Marquez 10-9

    Much, much better round from Salido, he started letting his hands go, landed a few over hands, but Marquez didn't take too many of them clean, and managed to land several counters left hooks on Salido on the way out. Closest round so far, but still fairly comfortable one for Dinamita.

    Round 6 Marquez 10-9

    A fairly solid Marquez round, Salido cautious for the first half, turned it on in the second half and paid for it. Marquez laying looking for the counter and got ample opportunities at it, Salido landed two or three winging wild hooks, Marquez landed several hooks to the body and a 4 punch combination up top.

    Round 7 Marquez 10-9

    Solid effort from Siri, he's now closing the distance adn getting on teh inside effectively, unfortunately when he lets his hands go, he's still getting the countered fairly consistently, with Marquez's heavier shots being teh more eye catching and effective ones.


    Round 8 Marquez 10-9

    Juan's best round in a quite, he's landing nasty counter rights, right hooks and left hooks on Salido, who's getting more and more aggressive, sometimes in combination, Salido is soaking up the punishment well, and throwing back, but most of his shots are being caught on the arms and shoulders of Marquez.

    Round 9 Marquez 10-9

    Marquez a little more willing to stand in the pocket and trade, realizing he's far more accurate than Salido, and can deflect most of Siri's work, he countered effectively sometimes even in combination on a charging Salido who landed a little more that round, but not quite enough to edge it.

    Round 10 Marquez 10-9

    Salido probably had his best moment of the fight in the 10th, landing three clean hard overhands on Marquez's head, but Juan quickly reversed his momentum and took back over with clean counters to the body and head repeatedly, in some exchanges rocking Salido's head straight back, and stopping Salido in his tracks.

    Round 11 Salido 10-9

    Back and forth scrappy round where both men let their hands go, Marquez wasn't as defensibly responsible and paid for it a few times getting caught flush with several hooks in Salido's wild flurries, Juan countered well, but he got outworked for the first time in the fight, still a close one.


    Round 12 Salido 10-9

    Razor close 12th, either man has an legit argument they took it, Salido was far more aggressive, accurate, and his evasive head movement made the target for Marquez a little more elusive, Salido landed several hard flush hooks to the head and body for the first two, Marquez came back late and almost evened it up late, but did too little to edge it on my card.


    118-110 Juan Manuel Márquez


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    Its always shocked me how few fans know that this high profile match even occurred, between such a notable and controversial talents. But the fact that it was on the undercard for Bernard Hopkins vs. Oscar De La Hoya, where the big newsmaker of the night was clearly Oscar being stopped for the first time in his career. So, I could clearly see how it could be overlooked at the time. Many people missed the PPV, or just weren't interested in the undercard, and add to that Salido wasn't a big name at the time, Marquez was coming off of his first match with the Pacman, and this was the title fight held in the interim, but it does seem since Siri has gone on t make a name for himself and become more famous/infamous of late, that in retrospect people would seek the match out like I did, after I missed it the first time around on Youtube. I finally got around to seeing it around 2012 or so. Yet for some inexplicable reasons, its still not a well known match, so I figured I'd attempt to gain it a little more notoriety on here at least, because its probably one of Marquez's most complete performances, he lost two rounds and even those were debatable. Its pretty close to a masterclass, where he was one of the few people to tame the raging bull that is Orlando Salido, so check it out if you haven't. Its a fascinating match, its not every day you see Salido playing it safe and trying to think and box his way through a match, and while he loses it in one sided fashion, he does a decent job hanging in there with a master boxer like Dinamita Marquez. It's wortha watch, check it out.:deal:
     
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  2. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    salido is a warrior of the highest calibre. Been in there with the best of them, Marquez is the worst type of fighter for a guy like salido to fight due to his exceptional timing and counter punching ability.
     
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  3. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man I gotta rewatch this fight! 2 warriors in the ring for an all out technical brawl (makes sense?)
     
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  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yeah, I saw this about two weeks ago. I remember thinking Dinamita was on point and prime, but Salido had yet to come into his own. He hesitated and didn't yet have the balls to the wall devil may care attitude we'd come to love him for. By the time he got to Mikey Garcia, he was willing to throw caution to the winds with a win or die attitude.

    There was nothing really spectacular here, and the match was kind of a disappointment considering the number of exciting wars the two participated in. They just didn't have any chemistry with each other. I think the best version of Marquez is probably the one that fought Pacquiao, fights 1 and 4. The best Salido is the one who fought Juanma Lopez 1, 2.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, its definitely not my cup of tea, but for all the sweet science loving Marquez fanboys, like @Beouche ;), its fascinating to watch. Also I disagree, Salido was the same Salido, just scared shitless of being countered and KO'd, so he played it very very safe for a change.
     
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  7. kavlas

    kavlas New Member Full Member

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    I remember watching this fight. I was a big Márquez fan at the time though I was really disappointed with this fight. It was an extremely tentative Márquez with a reluctant to engage Siri. Boring fight not worth re-watching
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Nah, at 24 Salido is still unsure of himself. He's roughly three years away from being a loser learning on the job. That first 24 fights is like his apprenticeship, his amateur career where he's just getting used to things and learning what his body can do. I don't think he had decent training or representation. 34 fights in he's still a doe in the headlights when you put him in there with a p4p player. He's still only 24, just before his prime. Marquez is a veteran at 31 with 46 fights under his belt. The story of this fight is inexperience meets experience, prospect meets veteran, something like Salido vs Lomachenko or Canelo vs Floyd. This is Marquez' 4th time on the big stage and Salido's first.

    What you are saying, Salido hesitating, is exactly why I'm saying this isn't the Salido he'd become. Mikey dumped him on the mat four times and Salido jumped down his throat. Every time he got knocked down he got up and punched harder and faster. That's a lesson he learned from early fights like this. He can't outskill guys like Marquez, Mikey, and Lomachenko, but he can overwhelm them physically with swarming aggression and pressure. High paced attrition wars of stamina are his forte. The thing that makes Salido Salido is that he isn't afraid to get hit like normal guys. He'll take a punch to land a punch. You don't see that in this fight.
     
  9. CST80

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    Yeah I get that, but what I was saying is, Salido was still Salido going into the fight, his style wasn't quite as relentless back then, and he hadn't had a ton of wars, but it was still a toned down version of what he did against Juanma. Like you implied, clearly the nerves probably got to him, he'd never been on that big a stage yet against a guy like Marquez. That being said, the real Salido still managed to show his face late, regardless of the fear.
     
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  10. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Salido is about as technical as Dr. Seuss... Which means Salido would have destroyed Floyd.

    :D:eek:
     
  11. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One of the biggest things that stood out to me about this fight, was that ten years later, Siri was still fighting at feather and weighing 146 on fight night vs Loma. Where as Marquez was fighting at welter and also weighing around 146 on fight night.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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