Julius Francis in Cage Rage

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by mann187, Aug 24, 2007.


  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Believe or not fighters box for money.... You would mad to enter just a dangerous sport for anything else.

    Francis has done his job. He was a solid contender for the British crown for a number years, and then he was a fair test for any up and comming prospect in Britain or Europe. You had to be world top 10 material to take him out early.

    Francis has had a fine career.
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I never realised fighters fought for for money.. and your right Julius has had a fine career espcially the last 4 years where his gone 0-14.
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well you learn something every day. It is called pro boxing because fighters get paid. Amateur boxing, they are not supposed to.

    And you are right Francis did have a fine career and in the last four years; fighting 14 men all but three European/British prospects and was only stopped by the legitmate world class puncher Oleg Maskaev.

    Without the likes of a fine fighter like Francis, boxing could not function. Francis will give your prospect a proper work out and if he is not up to scratch, will find him out.

    Nice to see you have changed your opinion of Francis; a well thought out post.;)
     
  4. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Im not disputing that.Journeymen are required.But 0-14 is NOT succesful thats not really that hard to dispute.Tell you what next time i see Julius at the Peacocks il ask him myself.
     
  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can spin stats anyway you want....

    Francis must be great, on paper he beats Ali; he beat Pele Reid, who beat Wayne Llewelyn, who beat Derek Williams, who beat Noel Quarless, who beat John Tate, who beat Bernado Mercado, who beat Leon Spinks, who beat Ali...
     
  6. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Spin? What exactly are you grasping at? Are you stupid? 0-14 is 0-14 PERIOD.There is no questioning this end of story. Francis is an able journeyman this is not in dispute.Guys like him and Peter Buckley are a rare but valuable commodity.BUT IT CAN NEVER BE ARGUED THAT THERE CAREERS ARE SUCCESFULL WHEN HIS CAREER LEDGER TO DATE IS BELOW .500
     
  7. TBooze

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    And Francis beat the man, who beat the man etc, who beat Ali; PERIOD.

    Francis did his job and was very successful at doing it.

    So it clearly can be argued that stats do not make a career. If that was the case Ricardo Lopez would probably be the best fighter ever, and Ray Robinson would probably be struggling to crack the top 1000!

    Boxing is not black and white, there is plenty of shades of grey, if you open your mind to them you may find you enjoy the sport even more...;)