K2 vs Hayemaker negotiations

It's always been about Haye and Wlad. The hype was between them two when Haye first moved up to heavyweight. They've both challenged each other for the last couple of years whereas Vitali is 'just' a champion. How many people would prefer a Vitali/Haye fight over a bout with Wlad? Not many.

Boente looked bad because he wouldn't accept public negotiations there are then. There's no justification for him saying "no", unless K2 have something to hide.

 

i am Klitschko Fan so i go with K2:yep

 

Its only 3 weeks away till Wlad fights for christ sake and then they can talk about who they fight then.

It should be Wlad first, this is Wlads defining fight and Vitali should butt out :deal

And why is wanting public negotiations a duck move? Surely not accepting public negotiations is the duck move.

Get real

 

Yeah Wlads defining fight, what he will always be remembered for by the general world wide audiance getting Knocked the **** out by HAYE, just like in the same way his bro will always be remembered for getting punched to a bloody mess by Lennox Lewis, and i cant wait for it

 

Do it public like Booth wants and then we can see what really is going on and make a decision who is in the wrong.deal:deal

 

When I remember Lennox Lewis, I remember a guy who bailed and retired before what would have been one of the most exciting Heavyweight rematches in modern times. Then I remember his punchdrunk, failed career as a commentator on HBO and the fact that his contract was allowed to expire after a single signing. Now I mostly think of the bitterness he must feel, related through his amateur commentary on the other side of the pond, as it becomes more and more obvious Vitali would have torn his ass up in the 2003/2004 rematch. Vitali who would tear his ass up today for peanuts.

Lennox Lewis, Haye's number 1 fan, and a bitter has-been rejected by HBO and America who retired just before his defining fight.

 

^^Who's this deluded *****?

Lennox smashed Vitali's face to pieces and would of KO'd him if it had gone on just like he would of in a rematch.

Lewis TKO Vitali in 6, get over it

 

10 000 British Boxing fans just choked on Fish and ships and warm beer splattered on their pants like they were slashed in their pants.:bart

Lennox Lewis & David Haye = The Running Men.:happy

 

I don't think Haye cares who he fights. The Wlad fight makes more sense though.

And how is asking for public negotiations a duck? It's the opposite of a duck and if K2 say "no", then there will be serious questions why. If they don't accept, the blame should be on them for past and future breakdowns.

 

A prime Vitali Klitschko could not put away the worst version of Lewis we have ever seen. He also got his face shredded to bits.

Harsh, but stripping the hating away, the facts are all true

Hasim Rahman beat a better version of Lewis. :deal

 

Ducking Wlad and fighting Fraudley hurt Haye's image, so he's trying to rehab himself in the eyes of boxing fans somewhat.

However, there's nothing stopping Haye from making a public declaration of the conditions he requires in order to fight Wlad.

Doesn't look like the fight in the Spring will happen, but maybe Team Haye have some reason for wanting to start up negotiations anyway.

 

I think most are so eager to see Haye fight either one, that it wouldn't make much difference which one it was.

Haye's two year avoidance, back trouble, deal breaking, silence, etc., had made a fight with EITHER brother, the priority. No preference. Whichever one Haye has the balls to fight........

And since he's flip flopped on who he wants a few times already, it looks as if Haye is making a point of having a *beef* with the one who is NOT available at the time.

 

From the main page:


Bernd Boente: “This Fight [Klitschko-Haye] Will Never Happen Unless We Get A Straight 50-50 Deal”

By James Slater:


Last night on Sky Sports, the two managers of rival heavyweight champions the Klistchkos and David Haye, Bernd Boente and Adam Booth, went “head to head” on a split screen. The two spoke on live TV and gave their arguments and opinions on just why a Klitschko Vs. Haye fight has not happened yet, and why the signing of the fight (either Wladimir Vs. Haye or Vitali Vs. Haye) is proving so hard to manage.

Booth said he is open to sitting down with Boente on December 12th, “after Wladimir has bashed up Derek Chisora,” and Booth also challenged Boente to agree to “transparent negotiations,” whereby the whole world would be able to see for themselves which side is preventing the fight from being made.

Boente made his side very clear, however. After reminding viewers first of all, that Haye DID sign a contract to face Wladimir last June (before being forced to withdraw with a back injury), Boente said there is absolutely no point at all in new negotiations being started unless it is agreed, right from the start, that all T.V money, all sponsorship money, all the live gate money, everything - is agreed to be split evenly, 50-50.

At the moment, according to Boente, Haye is refusing to agree to he and whichever Klitschko it is he fights getting half each of the U.K T.V money. And Boente says that unless Haye and his team agree to share everything, there will never be a fight.

“As I said before, there is no doubt, we don’t even have to start negotiations unless they [Team Haye] agree beforehand that we get 50-percent of the English T.V money,” Boente said on Sky. “If we agree, it’s a very simple and easy deal - 50-50 all over the world, everything goes into one pot. If that is not the case we will not even start negotiations, and [we will] move onto the next fight - either with Adamek, Valuev, whoever.

“That fight [Haye Vs. either Klitschko] , I can tell you now, will never happen unless we get a straight 50-percent.”

This demand from Boente appears fair enough. However, it may not be as fair and as simple as how Boente makes it sound if you look into things deeper. Yes, a 50-50 deal sounds fair, but in Germany they do not have pay-per-view. Therefore, Haye would get half of the fee the TV station which shows the fight live pays to get the rights - RTL, for example. That figure, as Boente said off the top of his head, would be somewhere in the region of two to four million (I assume he meant pounds sterling). So, if Haye agreed to the 50-50 deal, he would get £two million as his half of the German T.V cash.

But what would Klitschko get as his half of the U.K TV money? A hugely bigger amount than Haye would get from the German TV money, that’s how much! Haye’s last “fight,” against Audley Harrison, was bought by a reported 700,000 British SKY Sports subscribers. It’s safe to assume, then, that a Haye-Klitschko clash - after all the hype and with everyone in the U.K so desperate to see it - would be bought by getting on for twice that many fans; all of them paying £15.00 each for the privilege.

Simple mathematics lets you know Haye’s T.V deal will generate a whole lot more money than Klitschko’s T.V deal will. If Haye is guaranteed, say, 10-percent of the Sky par-per-view money, and if the fight sold to 1.5 million U.K fans, he would pick up around £2.2 million. But if he agrees to give Klitschko 50-percent of ALL money, he will collect just over £1.1 million (and I don’t know, maybe Haye has a deal whereby he will get MORE than 10-percent of the Sky P-p-V money).

It all becomes at least a little clearer why the fight is so tough to make when you realise how much television money Haye can generate; money he doesn’t want to agree to half with his would-be opponent.

Sure, there are more details beyond the Sky Sports Box Office T.V money to be worked out before Klitschko-Haye can happen, but it does look like this is the biggest hurdled to be overcome.

As Boente said, there is no point in even starting new negotiations, “unless they agree beforehand that we get 50-percent of the English T.V money.”

Would it be fairer, as Team-Haye no doubt feel it would be, for Klitschko to keep all the German T.V money, and for Haye to keep all of the Sky pay-per-view money?


...........................................................End article...............

I think Haye must think his name, alone, is going to bring in all the British PPV income..........? The article even admits the fact that the K Bro fight with Haye would probably double the Harrison PPV income.......so if a K Brother is doubling the British PPV sales, why not split everything down the middle, across the entire board, since their name is responsible for half the PPV buys??


I don't get how the article can point the *double the Harrison fight's income*, then refused to acknowledge that a K bro being Haye's opponent would be responsible for it doubling................ Thereby making an equal split across the entire pot, more than fair........especially seeing as how the brothers are long running titleholders, and Haye, only recently won his, and has only defended against Ruiz and Harrison, to this point.

Haye should be thankful they are offering everything split equally. Assuming he really wants the fight, that is.

 

Haye got 33% vs Valuev, probably the same vs Ruiz and Audley. You can understand why he is saying no.