Kelly Pavlik vs. Jake Lamotta, 160

Srr hits harder than Pavlik. That should be clear to anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of boxing, which explains why Canibus81 thinks otherewise.

Anywhoo, Lamotta pounds out a clear ud. He's faster and more skilled than Pavlik and should have little difficulty getting inside KP's reach and outworking him.

 

LaMotta would take everything Pavlik has with no problem he possibly had the greatest chin p4p ever and took Satterfield shots who punches twice as hard a Kelly. Jake simply walks through Pavlik punches and lands his own and his amazing stamina make sure he win the latter rounds by a big margin Lamotta either but late stoppage of decision.

 

Greatest chin ever?

Negative.

 

You do realise there is a big diffrence between physical strength and punching power don't you? Pavlik is you are quite correct alot physically stronger than sugar ray but hit harder i doubt it, when he knocks out an iron chin fighter like gene fullmer with one punch while being miles past his prime you may have a case but not now

 

who do you think had a better chin then?
just wondering.

 

It's pointless arguing who has the most power. Pavlik's career isn't close to being over yet, so there's still time for him to prove how hard he does hit. If he ends up knocking out Abraham or Winky with one shot, it's probable that he does hit harder than Robinson did. But as of right now, there's no point in debating it. Pavlik is too unproven.

 

Correct he is a big puncher, he may even have as much one punch power than sugar(i don't think he does but it is a reasonable argument).

However punching is about more than just power, he cannot throw his shots with the speed, accuracy and in such perfect combinations as robinson, his combined speed and power like no one else in my opinion ever which is what made him such a dangerous fighter. An if he could not knock out a weight drained la motta and neither could a massive puncher like bob satterfield i find it highly unlikely kelly could a prime jake

 

LaMotta was past his prime and badly weight drained in that fight, and was still able to stand up to everything Robinson threw. Robinson stopped him based on accumulation of punishment using one of the most varied and lethal arsenals of all time. Pavlik is very basic in comparison, much slower, and would be facing a prime LaMotta rather than a fading weight-drained version.

How can you back this statement up? Pavlik has never struck me as a particularly strong fighter. I don't see him as particularly durable as a matter of fact. Very lanky and easily wobbled, and far too scrawny to be considered among the strongest fighters. Not to mention the fact that he's done absolutely NOTHING to prove that statement, so I really don't understand where you get it from in the first place.

He started his career as a LW, that means nothing except that he was young, scrawny, and had not grown into his body yet. He was a natural WW who fit the MW division very well and carried his power up exceptionally. Pavlik is the bigger fighter, to say that automatically means he was the harder puncher just shows a lack of any real thought process. What has Pavlik done to prove this? Robinson's KO's at the weight are far more impressive and indicative of great power than Pavlik's.

I hope not, because it made no sense whatsoever. Just incoherent ramblings.

Pavlik probably has better power than Hopkins based on the quality of his KO's (though not on the quality of opposition neccessarily). You can tell from viewing him as a puncher and his effects that he's the harder hitter. The same is not true when comparing Pavlik to Robinson.

 

You know very little about prime jake la motta then, la motta would have taken kelly pavliks shots no problem in my mind, you realise one of the biggest heavyweight punchers of his era bob satterfield could not knock jake out. Jake also has underrated definsive skills and ability to roll with the punches, to many people just look at the beatin that robinson gave a weight weakened jake la motta in there 6th fight and see this as his prime, it was not