Kelly Pavlik vs. Jake Lamotta, 160

Which is precisely the reason his power is so overrated. His power is over-glorified in comparison to his other skills, which are mediocre in comparison, which amplifies the emphasis put on his power.

 

:rofl You forget to take into consideration Pavlik's lack of skills, lack of durability, lack of strength, and lack of experience to prove any of that. He'd get destroyed by the biggest punchers/brawlers in the MW division's history. Unbelievable how badly you overrated Pavlik.

 

In order to be ranked over a fighter who's power has been that much more proven? Obviously, yes.

I'm not getting on Pavlik because of that. I'm saying you can't compare him to Robinson based on his KO's over Jermain Taylor and Edison Miranda. Those don't prove a whole lot, especially considering Pavlik for the most part got them through an accumulation of punishment. He's never been that big a one punch hitter.

I had Pavlik winning 4 rounds to 2 prior to KO'ing Taylor. I don't think Pavlik lacks power, but to compare him with Robinson is ridiculous. You're steering the debate off course by bringing up the Taylor bout, which really doesn't even come close to proving his power with the likes of Robinson.

 

LaMotta UD or late TKO.

 

Pavlik doesn't have a good defense, he's in fact very hittable and lacks any decent reflexes. His jab is good in comparison to most of the fighters he faces, but not in the grand scheme of things, as it's also quite slow and predictable.

I base his lack of durability on how often he's been rocked, wobbled, and hurt in his career against less than stellar punchers or punches. The bigger punchers would've had him out of there after some of the situations he's been put in.

I'm not basing any of this (aside from his lack of skills) on the Hopkins fight, that has nothing to do with power. Get it out of your head. Pavlik is a mediocre technician with good power, successful because of the lack of depth in his division. A guy like Abraham is a bigger puncher and would knock him out.

As for Hopkins and Robinson, that's a whole different debate and we won't go there.

 

Taylor was out-boxing Pavlik before running out of gas in the second fight, which allowed Pavlik to turn up the pace and his effectiveness.

Back on topic, I don't know how Taylor's chin has been proven really, considering Pavlik's the only puncher he's fought, and the results weren't exactly convincing. Hell, Winky had him hurt at one point in their fight as well.

Robinson stopping LaMotta on accumulation and Pavlik stopping Taylor on accumulation are two entirely different accomplishments.

 

It's hard for me to see because Pavlik is an accumulation puncher primarily, who's power gets overrated regularly because of his KO ratio and lack of other skills to balance it out.

Not to mention he's never had anywhere near as impressive a stoppage as not only Robinson's stoppage over Jake (which pavlik could never in a million years mimic), but Robinson's one punch KO win over one of the most durable MW's of all time in Gene Fullmer, or did you forget about that one? Another feat Pavlik wouldn't have duplicated even with a clean shot in a million years.

 

LaMotta would beat Pavlik down the stretch. Pavlik wouldn't be too difficult for LaMotta to find. I think this would be a reasonably competitive fight for as long as it lasted. Pavlik's power punches at mid-range, combined with his rangey authoritive punches, and respectable durability keep in right in there. LaMotta's height difference would be just right for him to kill Pavlik's body. I just don't see Pavlik having enough adaptability to deal with a LaMotta.