Ken Norton vs Max Schmeling

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jester, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    885
    Likes Received:
    458
    Who would you pick?
     
  2. Phil_Ivey_76

    Phil_Ivey_76 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,823
    Likes Received:
    176
    Max Schmeling
     
  3. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2012
    Messages:
    2,881
    Likes Received:
    1,900
    Max, in a good matchup.

    Max was precise and very smart, his precision right would eventually wear on Norton by the late /mid rounds.

    I see Max winning by ko or decision.
     
  4. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,466
    Likes Received:
    84
    Well i for seemingly one fancy Kenny Norton, I wonder what Max would be thinking seeing this 215lb'ish chiseled adonis coming at him, I dont think ken would perceive Max's right hand to be on the same destructive plain as Foremans or Shavers, this of course could be a big mistake, but certainly Max did not have the bullying intimidatory strength of Foreman, But just maybe Kenny comes closer to the Aggression of Max Bear, and we know how well Mr Bear did in the Battle of the Max's, Max does not bring that Constant Predatory Aggression or that Twinkle Toes Superlative mobile boxing that Overcame Ken on a few occassions...at his Peak. I cant help thinking that Maximilion might get Devalued to Maxahundred at the Hands of a Confident in his Grove Ken Norton... Like Others Ken's Side-On Crab advance might throw Max off as it did others, Ken's Physical Advantages would i believe do him no harm at all in this match, Ken on points or late Stoppage
     
  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Messages:
    23,796
    Likes Received:
    2,396
    Max lowers the boom on Ken after Ken starts building momentum
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,676
    Likes Received:
    7,669
    I don't think Max can afford to stand in front of Ken but I do think Max straight right can get home more often before Norton can establish himself.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2006
    Messages:
    98,716
    Likes Received:
    30,652
    Max was a counter puncher, this would allow Norton to get his momentum rolling, difficult to predict.
    I'll guess that Max gets to him late, lands enough big rights to make Kenny think twice about coming forward and Norton was never effective unless he was going forward.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,008
    I think that Schmeling was slightly worse for Norton, than vice versa.

    Schmeling would look to counter Norton's jab with his right, then go to the body with his left, incrementally breaking him down.

    If I had to call it, I would say that Schmeling's strategy pays off.
     
  9. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    15,610
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Norton was never able to really separate himself from an elite opponent in the ring. All three Ali fights, Holmes, Young.
    Schmeling could and would. Late Tko win for Max
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    13,733
    I like Kenny in this matchup. He has a better jab, a better left hook, a better right hand (Norton's overhand right is a screamer), a better body puncher and is more physical. I will not, however, discount that counter-right by Schmeling. Max is a thinking fighter and always laying traps. If he springs that counter it could be over, but overall, I would go with Kenny.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,008
    Of course it can go either way, but I think you are underselling some of Max's punches.

    Max might have had the best overhand right in history.

    He also had a very sneaky body attack with his left, which was often what made the difference.

    Also, it was his uppercut which put Louis away.
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2008
    Messages:
    25,854
    Likes Received:
    10,064
    I like Norton to beat him up pretty good ..
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  13. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2011
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    1,428
    I too think Norton would wreck him.
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  14. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2011
    Messages:
    6,986
    Likes Received:
    1,270
    After thinking quite a bit about it

    Schmeling in a close one, as I think he has the skill and power to handle Norton and is more likely to hurt Norton than Norton is to hurt him.

    I would favor Schmeling about 7-5
     
  15. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    1,618
    Likes Received:
    552
    IMO, Max would be way too smart for Ken. Max dominates and KOs Ken.