Kessler-Calzaghe September date in trouble

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  1. ThePlugInBabies

    ThePlugInBabies ♪ ♫ Full Member

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    an aggressive fighter? andrade spent most of the fight just clinging on, he was a punch bag for 12 rounds despite the heart and balls he showed.
     
  2. Jens S

    Jens S Member Full Member

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    Andrade went forward the whole fight throwing more than 900 punches. Kesslers skills was just superior, and he showed he could handle it.

    Jens
     
  3. satyriion

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    Kessler went for the ko against beyer, thats pretty clear, thats why he looked heavy. Against Andrade he was much lighter on his feets, i.e. he adjust to the opponent very well.

    His critics says he can't fight on the inside. Bika diagrees a lot and so do others.

    Kessler likes southpaws, and Mads Larsen was probably a good teacher because his foot was on the outside all the time, Beyer may have been shot and overrated, but he has loads of experience and kind of a ringføx. He was completely dismantled. The other guys except Andrade retired before time due to the relentless and onesided beating they got. Mikkel may not have the perfect 1punkc ko, but he hits hard and very well timed.

    Mikkel is extremely cool in the ring, and I dont think homeadvantage (except the judges) is a factor in this fight. This aint a shitty smalltimeevent, this is probably the pinnacle of both boxers carreers and they are good and ready.

    Calzaghe has never been a great champ because he blasted all the competition away all his carreer, but because he kept winning for ten years, BUT not against topcontenders very often. He has faced a lot of pressure in his fights, but won non the less. Mikkel has not had any qualified opposition yet. Meaning the extreme low number of rounds he has given away.

    I remember, without comparison, the way people talked of Tyson as a fake built up guy with no names on his record before he was champ. He wasen't tested because was too good, until he ko'ed himself. My point is, that it is obvious that mikkel is very good at what he does. He takes his business deadserious and he has the tools. He can fight on the inside, but it aint necceasary. He can do a lot more than he has shown so far. He plays it safe and do not get emotional and loose control over the fight.

    Kessler will walk through calzaghe, he may loose more rounds than his previous career combined.. I don't think the geriathric calzaghe will be mikkels nemisis.

    Not for one second. I dont think this will be as close a fight as a lot of people think. If the Lacy comparison should be used in this fight, Calzaghe is the one being called lacy.
     
  4. Tobang07

    Tobang07 New Member Full Member

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    LOL...ONCE AGAIN you take some of the available info and twist and turn it, ad a bit of lies and present it as the allmighty thruth, a thruth that only you can figure out.

    Well, you know what Blocky, the thruth is that you are becoming more and more sad and disturbing to watch.

    You have made soooo many wrong analysis on this subject that turns out to be directly false, you even lie to deliver your statements and the worst part is, that when ever people correct you or counter your arguments, you just dont address the subject for a few hours or days. Pathetic and sad.

    Just like when you try to blame the current problems with HBO on MP, when he has absolutely nothing to do with HBO, thats Warren. WHY THE LIES, BLOCKY? Is is because you dont have anything important or valuebable to add or because your self-proclaimed title as "Holder Of True Boxing Knowledge" is so obviously laughable an ridiculous.
     
  5. deram

    deram Active Member Full Member

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    I shouldn't..... but I agree with much of this - not all. :think
     
  6. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Or perhaps a fat homer ref named Terry O'Connor.:yep
     
  7. Jens S

    Jens S Member Full Member

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    "Noone has managed to even take Joe close"??? Did you ever see his fight against Reid? That one was close.

    Calzaghe has fed on nobodies, and that is why he almost never are in a close fight.

    It doesn't matter whether or not Calzaghe has fought any big hitters. This fight will be decided on boxing skills, not power.

    Jens
     
  8. Jens S

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    The reason I mention Calzaghe-Lacy is that it was the same. If you didn't predict a close fight people came out shouting ignorance. Well, I look at the fighters capabilities, and I just see that Kesslers style will be to much for Calzaghe. It is true that Kessler never fought anyone as good as Calzaghe, but Calzaghe never fought anyone like Kessler. Kessler has fought many fighters, that has tried to avoid his jab and right hand afterwards (defintaely not as skilled as Calzaghe). Only fighter with that kind of style as Kessler is Veit, who was nowhere as skilled as Kessler. The kind of "fight in the fight" we will see is Kesslers hometurf. He has the experience in keeping a fighter at a distance, where as Calzaghe has a very limited experience trying to get in close with a fighter, who controls it from a distance. The one who can turn the fight over to his terms will win. If Calzaghe really can get past that jab of Kessler, I don't really expect a close fight the other way. Then Calzaghe will control the fight. It will be rough, as it always is inside, but then Calzaghe could get a big win on the scorecards. I just believe Kessler will dominate with his jab and right cross. Kessler also has some awesome combos in the midrange. Therefore a big win for Kessler. In my book it is 65-35 Kessler.

    Jens
     
  9. deram

    deram Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry, Jens, I often agree with you, but not here.

    You say Calzaghe definitely has more power than Kessler. I disagree.
    You say Calzaghe has more skill than Kessler. I disagree, Kessler is the more "skilled" fighter in a classical sense. Calzaghe has more intangibles though. Calzaghe actually is not very skilled in a classical sense. His punches are awkward and not performed well (hence the hand injuries) etc.
    You say Kessler is faster on his feet. I think Calzaghe is faster on his feet. All in all I think Kessler is more skilled and boxes far more correctly than Calzaghe. On the other hand Calzaghe has more intangibles. Calzaghe is imo. faster on feet and hand and has the best variation of power in modern boxing. He does not throw correctly etc, but he varies his punches excellently.

    Overall, it is a close fight in my book - where Kessler can win, but he will have to be 200% or he will soon feel heavy and slow when Joe starts to skip around and throw punches from everywhere. Kessler could win, because we have never really seen his limits, but I really cannot see how anyone can argue it will be an easy win for Kessler. Neither will win easy, and if anyone does I believe it is more likely to be Joe. But I don't think it will happen. It will be a close fight imo.
     
  10. THN

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    This will be a very close fight, i'll go for the power of Kessler, but **** i dont now, i cant wait!
     
  11. Jens S

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    "defintaely not as skilled as Calzaghe" is about the fighters Kessler has fought, not a comparison between Kessler and Calzaghe.

    Power? Kessler rarely floors people, he outboxes them. The stoppage of sevaral of Kesslers opponents were very questionable. Zdiarski was directly ludicrous. The guy was never down, he wasn't hurt at the time of stoppage and fought back. But with less than half a minute of the fight left, it was stopped.

    Kessler fought the same number of top 5 fighters as Calzaghe, but he has fought a lot of easy fights. Calzaghe has about the same ko-percentage, but he has scored the ko's against better opposition. Calzaghe has fought many top20-25 fighters. Like 15-20. Kessler has fought 5-6.

    Jens
     
  12. deram

    deram Active Member Full Member

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    Ahh, you were noit talking about Calzaghe, but about his opponents. Then it shoiuld have been "Calzaghe's", instead of Calzaghe. :good
     
  13. deram

    deram Active Member Full Member

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    And remember that Calzaghe's KO percentage is far lower than Kessler's as Calzaghe tends to TKO his opponents instead of KOing them. However, I do agree that it is not going to be so much power vs speed as people think.
     
  14. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    It is absolutely absurd that today with the Euro being so strong that you ****** brits and danes cannot make a fight without American TV.

    Do I want to see the fight? Of course!

    Can't your piddly ass countries do without HBO and make this fight happen without having Big Daddy USA spoon feed you money on fighters with marginal to no widespread american appeal?

    I think it is just pathetic and I would be ashamed to live in a country with proud histories that have to get on their knees to suck HBO's Dick so they can pay their fighters.
     
  15. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You do know that Warren and Palle represent themselves and not the entire UK and Denmark, right.:patsch If anybody is going to suck HBO's dick it is not UK or Denmark but Warren/Palle, and how do you exactly suck HBO's dick for that matter? Do HBO even have a dick?:huh

    Why do I even bother? You have just called the Brits and Danes ***gots.:roll: