Kessler wont fight Miranda

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Pantera2000, Mar 6, 2008.


  1. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Okay I didn't read all 13 pages but when did Miranda become the hardest puncher or the biggest name at 168lbs? Did I miss the memo or something? :lol:

    Anyway, it seems there are better options for Kessler out there with better rewards (money and legacy). You know... a fight with Taylor, Jones, Trinidad, etc... Miranda is a virtual nobody in the great scale of things.
     
  2. Bslice

    Bslice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Miranda is a hell of a **** talker but, there is no doubt he is a warrior, who isn't afraid to fight some highly skilled opponents. I am disappointed, in Kessler, all I have to say is ...<>
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Does Kessler not want to be back on top ?I have no doubt he beats Miranda !
     
  4. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Kesller is still rated higher than Miranda and beating Miranda won't put him back on top buddy, let's be clear on that.

    Jurgen Brahmer or Carl Froch would be a better opposition for Kesller if Bute won't fight him.
     
  5. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    This would be a great fight, but my guess is that Mirandas team offered **** for $$$
     
  6. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

    It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

    Where is the logic in that?
    There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
    The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

    In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

    Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

    Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

    But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

    When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

    Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

    Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

    Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

    This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
    It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

    I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
    He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
    It's not that hard to ****ing tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
    I'd say that Miranda could cold-**** about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
    He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
    Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.
     
  7. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Pantera:

    What kind of purse are we talking about her? Because good money for Miranda might not mean good money for Kessler. The guy made milions against Calzaghe. Maybe he doesn't want to fight for small paydays anymore?
     
  8. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    This begs a response from Kessler's camp or any top SMW contenders. Miranda IS a legit contender and a threat to any of them.
     
  9. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    :happy Bravo!
    Great, realistic, post.
    Kessler would rightfully be favored. But Miranda winning by KO would not shock a person. One right hand and Kessler could be finished. And that is why he does not want this fight.
     
  10. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :****

     
  11. billyconn

    billyconn Active Member Full Member

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    KP will always have Pantera's #......:yep
     
  12. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    On that note, I don't think it's a bad move from a promotional standpoint to avoid this fight. . .
    Kessler's credibility would be seriously damaged if he were to lose to Miranda at this point.
    I think Kessler needs to regain confidence first, by fighting someone in the top 10 who is less of a threat.
    Two losses in a row would seriously reduce his credibility in the division, and right now he can theoretically say he is the best in the division barring Calzaghe who is moving to LHW.

    Miranda is still young, I think he has time to fight more contenders and continue building up that KO highlight reel.
    If he keeps it up, he will be the 400 pound gorilla that no one in the SMW division can ignore.
     
  13. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Kessler is coming off a big loss and an injury that required surgery.

    Miranda fought Willie Gibbs (lol) and Henry porras (lol x2) after his loses. Not exactly dangerous opponents.
     
  14. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    Kessler was an undfeated belt holder before his last fight. He lost to the best SMW in the past 10+ years and is staying in his weight class. To say he needs any kind of a tuneup/comeback fight is bull****.

    This is the best fight for both guys. It is a world watched war and the winner will be in position to take over the 168lbs weight. Win win for everyone involved, especially the fans.
     
  15. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    ultimately it really depends on what Kessler wants to do . . . no body can make the decision for him.