Keys to beating Wlad.

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  1. kh80290z

    kh80290z Active Member Full Member

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    ok give us one supportive post of wlad without holding your breath:nut
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    already have you've not read em - I'm looking forward to wlad beating up fury and commend his longevity countless times, because its truth.

    if you choose not to read a truth, me writing one now will not help you. and the same to the guy below VVV
     
  3. BCS8

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    He's gonna get an allergic reaction :lol:

    To be fair, Dino drives the hate train, Herol is just a passenger in the luxury carriages ;)
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    First off they need to study Wlad and know why he's so effective, recognise how he likes to fight and to make the fight the kind of fight Wlad isn't comfortable fighting.

    Most opponents just seem to go in there and either fight like they always do or just try and knock him out, waiting for a lucky punch. This will never work against Wlad, his style is too good for someone to just walk in and take him out.

    Firstly realise Wlad likes to fight in the center of the ring. So do not try and engage here like Povetkin and so many others did. He will box circles around you. Jab and feint to push him back, when you really want to really attack is when Wlad is near the ropes where he has less room to move, this is when the pressure should be applied and your chances of sustaining an attack is at it's best.

    Wlad doesn't really counter punch, because that means exchanging shots when his opponent in a position to attack and engage. When attacked Wlad doesn't fight back what he does is shut down his opponents attack either by moving away or clinching. So if you attack Wlad realise nothing is coming back so when you attack mount a sustained attack because single shots will not cut it and just give Wlad the ability to move away or a gap to step in and clinch.

    As mentioned Wlad doesn't really counter. But what he does do is beat his opponent to the punch. He jabs, spoils, moves, waits for his opponent to take a short breather and as soon as his opponent does, this is when he pounces and beats his opponent to the punch with a left hook or straight right. You can't let him do that, you have to beat him to the punch as you will not get a chance to counter as Wlad will not exchange with you when you want to exchange. Be aggressive when you have Wlad backed up, do not be scared to exchange because when you don't, this will give him to chance to slip away or clinch.

    Another key factor is the ability and willingness to make it rough on the inside. This means having the strength to not be overpowered and the technique to put your head, forearm or shoulder in the way before Wlad clinches so you have the space to punch when he clinches. Povetkins mistake with Wlad was he was too passive in the clinch and squared up too much so he was easy clinch and when Wlad leaned on him, he let him do it. When Jennings was in a similar position he used his head to push Wlad back, so when they broke Wlad wasn't in the center of the ring but where he wanted Wlad, so when the action started again Wlad had his back to the ropes and Jennings was in a position to attack instead of in the center of the ring where any attack would be evaded.

    Now of course not everyone will have the skills to execute this effectively enough to win but that's why Wlad is unbeaten for so long.
     
  5. Str8ryte

    Str8ryte Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ask yourself....what did all the fighters that beat Wlad have in common....































































    Lmfao, they weren't that good.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Nice post. Definitely some food for thought there.

    I think that we are more or less on the same wavelength, except for that you have a greater understanding of the technical aspects, whereas I am merely summarizing the attributes of the ideal Wlad-beating fighter.

    One aspect where I disagree with you is the need to be able to fight him in the clinches. I think if Wlad ever meets a guy that he simply cannot smother to death, he will resort to keeping at distance and potshotting. Whereas if Wlad meets a guy that he cannot beat at range, then he is fooked because you simply cannot base a winning strategy around clinching. You have to land first, then clinch. If the other guy is outlanding you at range, then bye-bye, you are done for if you can't infight. And Wlad can't infight.
     
  7. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have to have a good beard and telling firepower.
    Well,enter the ring with blazing guns and jump at him trying to knock him out cold.Put all your eggs into one basket.
     
  8. Jennifer Love Hewitt

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    2 ways worked in the past.

    1. Roughing it out and pressuring him: The Purrity/ Brewster way. This way will no longer work. Wlad simply holds at will. He will not tire out. He paces himself now. Anyone who gets close to him gets clinched. I supposed if you could get a ref to enforce the rules you could win by DQ. This is not likely to happen.

    2. Outboxing him at range: This is the Sanders way. Sanders completely shut Wlad down, beat him to the punch, and countered him at will. Wlad crumbled shortly after. This way requires a fighter of similar size with decent speed and power. Wlad has not adapted for this, but fortunately for him fighters that can employ this method are few and far between these days. In fact the last person who fit this bill that stepped into the ring Was indeed Sanders.
     
  9. Lady Girl

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    you got to take it to him, make it a street fight. he doesnt like pressure. you got to not respect him
     
  10. Rock0052

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    You hope he gasses, or you catch him cold.

    He paces himself too well for the former, and offers too much firepower for the attrition guys- Marciano, Frazier- to deal with themselves while they try to implement their attack.

    He's most vulnerable to frontrunners with power and speed who will start fast and could possibly get to him before he settles into his rhythm, and before Wlad lands bombs on them himself. You'd really need a guy to sell out to get to him in the first 5 rounds, or it's not going to happen.

    Movers aren't going to beat him because they can't throw and land enough to outscore him- this style has never won more than a handful of rounds off of either version of Wlad, let alone fights. Wlad's punches will typically have the reach advantage, are thrown textbook technically, carry speed, and carry knockout power in either hand. He's the prototype outboxer.

    Those that last the distance do so by boxing to survive, not fighting to win. He's too conservative on the outside to leave many openings these days for the opportunistic fighters. Those that prey on their opponent's missteps get frustrated because Wlad doesn't have to open himself unnecessarily to score enough to win.

    Inside fighters get smothered by a clinching/wrestling game that would've made the heavyweights from 110 years ago proud, and a left hook that can be thrown with such shortness that you've smothered your own offense by the time you've gotten inside it's range.

    Bottom line, to beat the current version, you need to start fast and try to get him out of there before you gas or get caught yourself. Tyson, Foreman, Dempsey, Sanders, Lennox (on an aggressive day)...those are the styles and mentalities you'd have to roll the dice with as having the best chances to win.
     
  11. HerolGee

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    he doesn't offer it, he barely uses it for fear of being counterpunched.

    so many lies,
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    All you need is a ref who will enforce the rules and he can be beaten by anybody.

    Nobody thought Brewster was going to beat Wlad but because of the ref refusing Wlad illegally bear hug Brewster every time he came forward , he was able to get off and it didn't take long for Wlad to crumble once he began to get hit.

    Wlad has no defence outside of the illegal hold. Take that away from -like in the Jennings fight and he can't even look impressive or come anywhere near the stoppage victory he was almost guaranteed to get.

    You're not that hard to beat if you're running and holding on for your life against a slow mover like Sam Peter.
     
  13. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1) Hit him more times than he hits you 2) knock him out or down several times 3) win more rounds than him. just a few ideas.
     
  14. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    There just aren't good, aggressive punchers of Sanders quality. It's that simple. Mansour and Povetkin, somewhat, but no where near the level of aggression and firepower Sanders had. Just abunch of duds in the division.
     
  15. BCS8

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    Sanders had the speed and the accuracy and the straight punches to get through the guard. I think that this is what Wlad couldn't handle, and then, if you add to the fact that Sanders could really crack, it really was not a good matchup for him.

    Sanders' infighting was practically non-existent, he used to basically hunker down in front of his opponent and wait for a chance to explode or to turn the guy and land his straight left. But vs Wlad it didn't matter too much because Wlad was holding and not hitting him.