Kid Gavilan or Carmen Basilio

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by PhillyPhan69, May 26, 2010.

  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    18,323
    Likes Received:
    15,911
    Who do you rate higher at welter weight through the 50's???

    Gavilan was ranked 2 in 50, 1 in 51-53 and 8 in 57
    Basilio was ranked 2 in 53-54, 1 in 55-56 (moving to MW in 57)
    They fought in 53 to a disputed SD

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swThbyUcSok[/ame]

    Overall I have a hard time seperating them...who do you rate higher (keep in mind i am only refering to the 50s at ww and not MW or anything else!)
     
  2. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    Messages:
    28,075
    Likes Received:
    57
    Both were in my top ten i believe when we put our lists in Rumsfield's thread. Gavilan was slightly higher. Maybe he was slightly better due to some versatility issues stylewise. But does that always translate into that versatile fighter being 'better'? No i don't think it does. Basilio of course had success at 160, albeit against an aging/aged Robinson, and he was slaughtered by a prime Fulmer. Gavilan has losses in spots, but to very good/great opposition mostly. He also has the win over Basilio, albeit by SD.
     
  3. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2007
    Messages:
    8,038
    Likes Received:
    39
    If we are talking strictly WW I have Gavilan ranked higher.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    18,323
    Likes Received:
    15,911
    Welcome!!! Good to see you here! There is a lot more action, topics here...but I still like the atmosphere over there too!!!

    Enjoy!
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    28,760
    Likes Received:
    86
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    38,034
    Likes Received:
    93
    Gavilan, he is the elite of the Welterweight division, Basilio is just below that, I actually had Basilio beating Gavilan, but Gavilan's reign is better IMO and on film he looks the better fighter.