Yeah, but Abraham and the Klitschko's are at very different stages in their career, and I don't go around claming that AA is "the biggest puncher ever" at Middleweight, or that he is an ATG. Personally, I think Vitali is a very good heavyweight, and he showed that against the one great fighter he has fought. But niether Vitali or Wlad have had the opportunity to prove, beyond doubt, to any reasonable fan, that they are as good as some people claim them to be. It's not entirely their fault of course, but until they actually defeat a very good or great fighter, I'm not just going to accept their "greatness" based on the subjective opinions of their rabid fans. P.s Vitali is a glass jawed fraud, first legit fighter he faces he will get schooled.
The Wlad haters seem to think that this is a terrible time for heavyweights, so the Klitchkos are ahead of a weak division. Then the Haye fans say that Haye will beat Wlad and Vitali and then dominate... ummmm... a weak division. How could that possibly mean that Haye is himself great?
It makes perfect sense. People have annointed Haye as the savior of the division because it's so "horrible". Somehow if he beat Wlad the heavyweight division would suddenly be deep and tough because obviously Haye is "the man". At least according to the logic I see around here.
The division is horrible. But former Crusierweight King David Haye's participation improves it. Vitali and Wlad are the top two guys in the division, and will never fight each other. At least Haye gives us a few potential match-ups at the top that otherwise would not have taken place.
Oh I agree, they're good matchups, but people have made Haye out to be something that he isn't, yet they act like the Klitschko fans are idiots.
Well you get idiots supporting virtually every boxer. Including Haye and the Klitschko's, neither have proven themselves to be as good as some of their fans claim. Only time will tell.
Haye's joining the heavies does improve it, yes, but the division is far from being as bad as many seem to love saying. There are several very good heavywieghts out there, and the heavies got off track, mainly cause things naturally go in cycles, regardless of quality. Just like the public loses interest in a certain musical style after so many years of supporting it, they naturally move on to some other style. Same with boxing. Its not that the current level of fighters is any less than it was, its just that it is perceived to be lower quality, cause the public has naturally moved away from boxing after the peak interest years of the Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis reign. Its just a natural occurence with the public at large. Its not due to lack of quality fighters in the heavyweight division these days, cause all things considered, wlad, Chagaev, Vitali, and haye are probably just about as good as those that populated the divsision in the 90s, and probably as good as most that populated the division in the 80s, as well. I venture to say that Wlad given his size and skill, is better than prime Lewis, and Holyfield. THere, I said it. Not only the natural cycle of public interest, but that, and also the four titles being apart for so long created a sense of no one star for the public to support. That cause the division to lose even more focus, and hence, even more diminished public support. But I venture to say that Chagaev, Wlad, Haye and Vitali are all as good as teh stars of the last 25 years. Its just that they come along in a time when teh division was in a natural lull. They inherited a lacking public interest divsision...........same as poor ol Obama inherited an economy in a poor state. But just as Obama is going to pull us out of our recession, given time and patience, the current crop of big name heavies will also start to pull the divsion out of its lull, once the promoters STOP protecting their titleholders, and some BIG names/titleholders are pitted agaisnt each other..........like Haye- Wlad..........Vitali - Chagaev...............etc. It won't happen quickly, but it took some time for the division to get in its rut, and it'll take time, talent, and big name fights to get it back on track. But the current fighters certainly have the power, talent, skills, and drive to get things back in the mainstream's interest, again. The heavyweight division is already improving ever since Peter fougth Wlad a few years ago, and Haye Wlad will really help get things back on its feet. Finaly let the promoters (King and / or Kohl) grow some balls, and get the WBC and WBA unified, and we'll gain even more ground. :good
Wlad 55 fights, 52 wins, unifies, fighting mandatories, 46 KO wins. Olympic gold medalist super heavyweight division 1996 European Champion 1999 World Champion WBO 2000-2003 World Champion IBF/IBO 2006 - today World Champion WBO 2008 - today
Oh I hear you. And the line about getting beaten by Thompson is old, as if Wlad didn't have the same troubles. But the problem comes from those pushing the opposite line too far. People like FightingWeight do it just to push buttons (I've learned to just smile), but a lot of people are serious... and that's just as bad as the out of touch Wlad fans.
Your entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. But I totally disgaree with everything you wrote :good Chageav-Vitali-Wlad-Haye are not nearly as good as Lewis-Tyson-Bowe-Holyfield or Ali-Frazier-Foreman-Norton-Liston.
But its not even the fact that they say that, its the fact that if you ask them Klitschko's fan will say how they re the greatist fighters ever when they are no where near the best, its also if you so much as say I'm not a fan of them of disagree with any crazy Pro-Klitschko statement your a "hater" (see the title of this thread), they will hype there records while compleatly ignoring the fact that neither Wlad or Vitali have beatin anyone that makes them the A.T.G.'s, P.4.P., G.O.A.T. or any other acronym for greatness. And also almost every fan just shoves them down your throat with their nonsenical talk (i.e. they could kill Ali, they are the greatist fighters ever, theers no one in boxing history who could beat them, yes these are all real comments I've heard) I personally don't have a problem with the K bros, Joe Calzaghe or Mayweather, its just their fans represent them as living gods who are unbeatable while ignoring the fact that there are (or were) people who can beat them.
To be honest though, I think there has been far more Haye hate than Klitschko hate recently. You can't have a rational discussion with most Klitschko fans any more, all it takes is to say something like "Haye has a chance" and both whoever says it and Haye himself get abuse befitting of someone that spikes their gran with crack then gets her working the streets for them. It dosen't even seem to be about Thompson or the like any more, just Haye's a homo, you're a homo, Haye's on steroids, you're a **** etc.