klitschkos are not top 20 all time

This is the 2nd time you said they do not qualify for the top 30??? And again have not produced 29 names to rate higher based upon record or resume. Who are these guys that rank higher??? Johansson, Sharkey, carnera, Baer??? I don't believe so. I can see an argument for wald Top 15-20, and vitali 20-25. Who rates between 20-30 that either or both of the klit's don't stack up well against resume wise???

 

I think Carnera had a little help, although I'm not sure just how much.

 

Foreman would kill the Klitschko's,Tyson would put them to sleep,i like Fraizer against them to,Ali and Holmes would really show them how to use the jab so would a prime Lewis and he would stop them,oh thats right a over the hill Lewis did just that.But more than anything its guys from the 80's and 90's contenders that match up well with them Tyrell Biggs who could have been great if he would have taken his life and career seriously,others like Rudducktremendous power and size,Wheatherspoon when he was in shape and his head was right he was capable of beating any heavyweight in any era ,Pinklon Thomas big with a great jad and big righthand,Carl the Truth Williams,although his chin is shaky had a ton of skill power and size with a monstrous reach,a prime Holyfield would be in their **** to,a Greg Paige in shape may have had the best jab in heavyweight history,would have a big shot at beating them,if Corie Sanders could any of these very very skilled big men could,i see guys like Micheal Dokes and Mike Weaver having a shot at beating them,again if Sanders could these 2 certainly could they were way better than Sanders,and the 1's i named before them are way,way,way better than Sanders.The plain facts are this is by far the weakest heavyweight era ever,and thru history they are very beatable by quite a few guys contenders and champions alike and their were several big HW's with even better jabs than they have that were big and mobile the Klischko's size and jab isnt a new thing in heavyweight history.It just shows how a lot of these young guys overrate these fighters from the mid 90's to present that dont fight anyone,is just absolutely ludacris.

 

Shouldnt we wait for them to be retired I mean look how much credit we give Lennox he was hated for years just now we start really giving any dues.

Plus name guys with a better reign then Wlad

1 Ali
2 Louis
3 Holmes
4Lewis
5 Wlad

 

ok left out 80's Tyson at 5 Wlad 6

 

People may not want to admit it,but prime Tyson may have been the most dominant fighter ever to put on gloves,no way would they be able to take the heat he would bring.

 

Very good when he had no distractions and everything worked his way but he had too many mental limitations to be invincible for ever you could tell ppl around him knew he was mentally fragile and unstable

 

100% agreed. Today's athlete is a completely different animal. Nostalgic **** going on indeed. But as the thread starter has mentioned a couple of times already, these discussions are subjective and these debates and arguments will never be settled. And because of all this nostalgic **** that so many cling to, you are treated like a blasphemer when you say what you feel about the Klitschkos. I feel there are less than ten heavyweights in history that could beat either one. That's just me though.

 

Tyson 3rd Lewis 12th and Holyfield 20th

Your list is worthless:bbb

 

thumbsup

 

name 30 better then wlad and 50 better then vitali

 

Floyd Mayweather lost rd 2 in his last fight, Wladamir has not lost an actual rd in years

 

there is no method those ****ing haters, hater will always hate

 

Good Lord paragraphs are your friend.

Incidentially; Did I see Tyrell Biggs' name in the middle of that hodgepodge?

 

Yeah, no doubt! I am literally itching to see that list as well. Maybe Tyrell Biggs will be on it.

I also feel that Christo makes some good points about age and nationality related bias' directed toward the brothers.

I recall this old time Los Angeles based sports hack who used to claim that Jerry Quarry would have easily beaten the Klitschkos.