Kostya Tszyu vs Errol Spence

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Kostya vs Errol

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep I agree with this. Tszyu had frightening power, De La Hoya couldn't put a dent on Miguel Angel Gonzalez's granite chin but every time Tszyu landed solidly on Gonzalez he shook him to his very boots. Not many guys at 140lbs had Tszyu's power.
     
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  2. Serge

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    We've literally only seen Spence in against two world class fighters his own size and he struggled badly against both despite one of them (Brook) being damaged goods, coming off a bad beating and a stoppage loss, a terrible eye injury and gruesome surgery to repair it, and back down from two divisions North after bulking up to fight up at 160, and the other (Pity Pat Porter) should've been coming off a loss to the bang average Ugas. Other than that he's feasted exclusively on a diet of career 140 pounder Paulie level featherfists in Algieri and Peterson both of whom were or should of been 1-2 in their last 3 fights, a blown up 135 pounder Mikey who has about as much right being up at 147 as Spence's natural 154 pound ass (and not a small 154 at that) does of being down at 135, and yet another natural 140 pound in Danny Garcia and even he gave him problems even though Spence was naturally much bigger and stronger than him.

    So as it stands the only thing Spence has proven against world class fighters his own size where his strength, length and power isn't as telling as it is against all those 140 and 135 pounders is that he can scrape by them by the skin of his teeth. Don't get me wrong, he's a very talented fighter but he hasn't even managed to put in a dominant performance against a world class fighter his own size yet, let alone do so in his second or third weight class. But it's very fitting he's being matched up against yet another career 140 pounder in Tszyu in this hypothetical thread given his penchant for beating up on little guys.

    Tszyu KO1 Spence
     
  3. boxingjunky

    boxingjunky Member Full Member

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    How can you be so sure that Garcia doesn't hit harder than Tszyu? Garcias power at 147 has been proven. The granados fight did it for me and what Keith Thurman said about his power as well. I think Spence will be too much for a 42 year old Spence. If he had that much problems with Jeff Horn, i shutter to think what Spence could do. This is no longer the same Pacman that was Knocking out Cotto, stopping de la hoya and having Shane running after tasting his power. Time will tell though if this fight is made as they are saying it may
     
  4. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How much have you seen of Tszyu? You make decent points but you're way off the mark when comparing Garcias punching power with Tszyu, way off the mark!
     
  5. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep, Spence looked dazzling against the gatekeepers and near world level dudes on the way up but against the world class fighters he looks to have found his level. That is a good solid titleholder but perhaps not a great fighter. Borderline pound for pound at this stage at best.
     
  6. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both fought Judah. Zoo knocked out the undefeated, fresh version in 2 rounds while Garcia labored to win a decision against an older Zab.

    I would say Kostya hits harder. I know triangle theories do not work but my money is on Zoo here.
     
  7. Pugilist Specialist

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    Tszyu would ice Errol the slow robotic bum
     
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  8. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do not agree with assumptions that Spence is a bum. He is not bum. Spence is good boxer.
    With another part, yes, prime Tszyu had KTFOed Spence cold .
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep this and at 140lbs Tszyu KO'ed 25 out of 31 wins, that's 81% KO ratio compared to Garcia's 16 KO's out of 28 wins at 140lbs that's a 57% KO ratio.

    Tszyu hit harder than De La Hoya based on the Gonzalez fights and not just a little but harder but a lot harder. Everyone that fought him said he had very heavy hands. Tszyu might hit as hard as Tito, he had that kind of power.

    Garcia in contrast I don't think hits as hard as many think in terms of raw power. What he does well is counter guys, his timing and precision is what stops guys not his raw power, hence why he has such a low KO ratio. Some guys even with his counter punching he can't put a dent in because he doesn't have that raw power but guys who's chins are not all that he can get a highlight reel KO with his counters.
     
  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I suggest not to count KO percentage in average.
    To stop, if be harsh even to get a draw vs good guy is more difficult than KO a bum.
    Look at opponents previous fights, lost fights via stoppage, ranking before fights.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good point but Tszyu didn't exactly have a padded record, he was an Olympic gold medalist so very quickly got a world title shot in only his 15th fight, 18 world title fights in total. Compared to Garcia who fought for his first world title in his 23rd fight and only 6 world title fights at 140lbs. Tszyu KO percentage was even higher if we take it at the point where he had 6 world title fights.

    So in this comparison it's a fair measure as Tsyzu wasn't facing bums he was facing Hatton, Mitchell, Gonzalez, Hurtado, Mayweather, Chavez, Ruelas, Judah, Tackie, Urkal all world class fighters and KOing most of them.
     
  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't had mean't Tszyu with this.
    When I evalue boxer, I dig out who he had stopped, this guy's record and so on too.
    Otherwise there are a lot supposedly prospects around with high KO % and then if they have a bit better boxer in the ring, vuala, KO power disappears and sometimes they as A side hometown guys are getting SD win on cards. 0 KO power and 8 rounds opponent journeyman is running on his feet, 0 knocdowns etc.
     
  13. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Was good enough for juda who has a 72" reach same as Spence
     
  14. African Cobra

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    I respect Tyzu but if cool Vince Phillips sparked the multi-dimensional Spence or The Truth EJ as we call him would do a job on Tyzu at 147.
     
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  15. Pimp C

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    Spence bullies and beats the hell out of him. Wishful thinking doesn't work in boxing.
     
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