Langford or Greb ?

You seldom fight anyone who doesnt think that..Unless their knowledge of boxing isnt outside the rings top 10 p4p for that month.

 

Langford #2. Greb #4

 

same on greb..poor KO ratio for a middleweight

 

My feelings too, Im sick of seeing Greb & Langford on these lists, there is 0 footage of Greb & from the quality of the Langford footage, there may aswell be 0 footage of him too.

Im not saying they should be forgotten but c`mon guys, you never know for sure until you see with your own eyes.

How many times have you read about a fight/fighter then watched that fight/fighter & wondered if the writer was on drugs ?

Exactly !

 

Well I'm a novice, only been following boxing since 1959.
No I haven't seen footage of Greb in action ,but I have seen footage of
Tunney
Walker
Loughran
Gibbons
Brennan.
Some of Greb's adversaries.
You have your opinion,I have mine.

 

Well that's too bad that you're sick of seeing them on these lists, because their resumes more than speak for themselves.

 

Greb's rating,for me at least is based on him having 299 fights and winning 261 with 18 draws ,over half of them while blind in one eye and in many conceding considerable weight.We are not talking about victories over ham and eggers either ,but wins over the likes of
Allentown Joe Gans
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mickey Walker
Gene Tunney.
Augie Ratner
Tiger Flowers
Frank Moody
Bryan Downey
Johnny Wilson
Romero Rojas
Tommy Loughran
Jimmy Slattery
Battling Levinsky
Bill Brennan
Billy Miske
Leo Houck
Soldier Bartfield
Eddie McGoorty
Al McCoy
Tommy Gibbons
Mike Gibbons
Jack Dillon
Mike O Dowd
George Chip
Wille Meehan
Frank Mantell
Gun Boat Smith
Lou Bogash
Buck Crouse
Bob Roper
Jeff Smith
Zulu KId
Charley Weinert
Jack Blackburn
Kid Norfolk
Bartley Madden
Soldier Jones
Jack Renault
Bob Moha
Mike McTigue.

Several men held versions of titles ,several were rated heavyweight and LH contenders, several went on to become ATG's . I ask the Forum where should we place a man who has a record such as this?

 

If ko ratio was the main criteria for rating a figther an all time great,where would we place ?
Willie Pep less than 27% ko
Tommy Loughran under 10% Ko
MIguel Canto less than 21% Ko
I guess these guys were just journeymen.

 

How can you knock there records or them just because of the lack of footage ?, look at there records guys, i mean they were awesome and guys like greb beat everybody nearly.

I mean does not having footage of say the roman army as a silly example mean for you they cant be any good because you have not seen them ?, hell no would be the right answer.

 

The lack of footage of Greb is unfortunate but a non-issue when ranking him IMO.

As said before there is enough footage available of the guys he beat, sometimes multiple times..Anyone who has seen these guys in action knows it would take someone quite special to beat them.

 

I haven't heard this argument for ranking fighters on no tv footage before, but it's strangely persuasive ha ha!!

Personally, I have Langford a whisker ahead of Greb because his weight-jumping was better.

I have Langford at #2 or #3 OAT and Greb #4.

 

It honestly wouldnt make a jot of diference to me how good or bad they looked on film.

Their resumes are just so far ahead of the rest of the field that it is academic.

 

Langford was the greatest pound for pound fighter that ever lived .