I had Holmes winning 8-7, but I don't think it was anything like a planned robbery or anything. Maybe the aspect of a black man threatening Marciano's record had something to do with the judge's general approach to the scoring. Just as likely, it could have been purely a case of the subjectivity of scoring. As for the rematch, I had Holmes winning by a wide margin of 9-5-1. Holmes fought a very good fight the second time around, while Spinks let pretty much all of the first half of the fight slip away.
Holmes was not the first guy to try to beat the record though. Holmes got the as close as he got with 48. But Ali, Fraizer, Bowe, Holyfiled, Tyson, M Spinks, and to some extant, L Spinks at 7-0 lol. Trust me, when they were unbeating and in the prime of there title rein, I sure that record was on there minds.
Spinks was never 7-0. When he fought Ali, he was 6-0-1, having a debatable draw against Scott LeDoux.
Well Spinks was still unbeating. And he still at 6-0-1, had a shot at the Rock's record. Vauly had a no contest, and people were on the "Beat the Rock's Record" bandwagon. I think a draw would not effect the trip to the record.
In the case of Spinks, I think that the record was not the first thing on his mind: winning his next fight was. Butch Lewis (who was in control of Spinks at that point, as much as anyone ever was) tried to get a fight with Ali before the LeDoux fight, when Spinks was 5-0. Ali and Herbert Muhammad turned him down. However, after the LeDoux draw which was a life and death struggle, Ali phoned Lewis up and said he'd found an angle (the gold medal) to sell the fight with; Lewis claims it was just the case of Ali wanting a soft touch. Anyway, Spinks was put into a joke of a fight against Alfio Righetti in order to get him into the top 15, and the fight took place. Compared to how Ali managed to get Alfredo Evangelista into the ring, this was a case of extreme good business practice on everyone's part.
Trust me it would, they even spun the rules to take the draw out of Marciano's record.... 49-0 is pretty; 48-0-1 is excellent but just lacks that je ne sais quoi.
I scored the first fight: 116-111, Spinks. I had Holmes winning the return by more or less the same margin. In reality land both fights were clear cut verdicts.
I know some people some say 10 point must is a bit rigid, but to get a scorecard like that in a 15 rounder, you must had a few 10/4 rounds there.
i scored it 8-6-1 even for spinks. holmes just struggles to pin spinks down in the fight. spinks moves a lot and then comes in with quick point scoring flurries.:bbb holmes is falling short with the jab a lot and not letting go the right enuff. fair decision i think. :good
What fight?? When the Marciano LarSarza fight turn out a draw on the round system they went to the 5 must system to determind a winner.
As a Professional in the dictionary description he is not, you have use the hybrid boxing meaning of professional for Marciano to be unbeaten... Five hundred years down the line, history will decide if the hybrid holds.
Its been 200 years since Hen Perce and some of thsos other battlers retire unbeating. and they had a lot of exbintions for pay. By reports in prison John Gully was getting the best of the Chicken game, so Pearce pay for Gully to be release, and had a REAL title fight. In the so call "Rematch" Pearce won. Pearce retire at 7-0 with 7 kos. (Which was a lot for that era by the way. Most guys retire after 15 or 16 fights in that era) Do we 200 years later and look back at it and say you know what?? Pearce sure got lick by Gully in that prison fight. Lets add it to Pearce's record as a lost. And even make the title past down onto Gully because of that. Trust me, Marciano will get no wins turn into losses in 500 years.