Larry Holmes vs Rocky Marciano

You silly c*nt! I've just picked Maxim to beat Calzagheatsch I never thought it was possible for you to get worse but you have!

 

This is just plain stupidity

.ps You never explained what happened with the Navy Seals?

 

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Both guys were great but Marciano just greater and more proven - Holmes would start fast and try to establish himself quick with that fast jab getting it ramming out there early and often to get some respect - but then 99% of Larry's punches every fight were jabs - if you watch, say, the Shavers fight as a gauge, Larry threw maybe 4 or 5 hooks or uppercuts in the first 3 rounds!? Literally all his punches were just jabs? Jab jab jab jab jab nothing else - he' d rarely let his other hand go because he wasn't that great with his right hand and often missed and couldn't maintain his position that great when he threw it - basically if Larry could go the entire 15 rounds throwing nothing but the jab he would do it. To be fair he was so good with it he was probably capable of doing it aswell - it was fast, feisty and consistent and he could throw it non stop again and again and he could throw it off his movement so well that it was almost like he didn't need his other hand? This is though Shavers was limited enough that Holmes could dominate and keep him under control with just the jab - he'd need more than that to control Rocky Marciano - fighters with much more variety, and better in more areas than Larry couldn't control Marciano so I just can't see Larry keeping Marciano away from him?
When Shavers did get close enough he did have Larry clinging on to stay steady at times and was getting bashed about a lot by him? And it wasn't like Shavers was doing anything special to get to him either - no jabs whatsoever from Shavers just literally loading up and winging ridiculously telegraphed haymakers? And Marciano comes in MUCH quicker than Shavers and with lots of feinting that Shavers never did me with different angles and out of a crouch - Marciano was much harder to time and much harder to catch coming in - Shavers basically plodded forward straight up with his hands up walking into the jab - Larry really didn't have to go looking for him?
And Larry could soon go to peices and start to wobble, yeah he had the heart to hang in there but I think his chin itself is little over rated personally he get wobbled fairly often - pretty much every time Shavers did hit him properly which was relatively rarely you could see he wasn't liking it and his legs would disobey him he could get away with keeping people off by extending that left arm outline a wrestler and keeping them at range but I don't think that is ever gunna work against Marciano and he sometimes took his time levering his right up for an uppercut or right hand and made it pretty obvious what was coming when he threw it and to be honest he seemed a bit of an arm puncher when throwing his right hand as a result it never seemed particularly accurate or crisp? And I think particularly against Shavers because Shavers wasn't really coming on strong enough and hardly getting in range to throw many consecutive shots it made it all the more obvious when he did land because it would come as a bit of a shock to Larry and when he was made to work he could get a bit sloppy and start flagging that would be a really bad thing to do against Marciano? I think Marciano is going to get to Holmes and will start getting into range a lot quicker than people would expect and when he's landing with regularity Holmes would sooner get a bit ragged and at some point Marciano is going to nail him good with that right hand it's pretty much enevitable and Holmes is gunna trapped - he was a sitting duck against Shavers really when he got up but Shavers was throwing crazy urgent punches swinging blindly for the fences missing to the extent that he was nearly falling over - and it wasn't Larry making him miss either it was just Shavers being awful which Marciano wouldn't - Marciano would stop Larry or continue to hurt him to the point where he couldn't properly recover enough to get a foothold back in the fight - but my expectation is he stops him once he hurts him it may possibly take a couple of rounds of grinding away at a slippery Larry but he's gunna get him eventually I think

 

to be fair, anyone in their right mind would pick maxim to beat fortysomething-killer joe.

 

Some needs to collect these and make an anthology of Marciano Fan Fiction.

 

Do you think the user-name might indicate a slight bias?

 

It depends where you place the threshold for greatness.

Many people consider Charles to be a top 20 all time heavyweight, and I think there is some merit to the position.

Moore was an outstanding heavyweight contender, and in my humble opinion, one of the best heavyweights never to win the title.

Ironically Moore probably had more left when Marciano fought him, than the younger Charles.

Both were very solid, very dangerous, very credible challengers.

 

What is interesting in this thread, is that the Marciano skeptics are saying all the same things that the skeptics said back in his own day.

It is uncanny.

Some fighters are a lot better than they should be at first glance, and Marciano is a pretty good example of that.

 

I think the size and heavy jab of Holmes would've cut him up.

I can't remember the Holmes-Spinks fights though and that may change my mind on his dealing with a smaller/lighter guy.

 

Except that they did not have the elite, prime tall and long boxer-type that was Holmes... or Waldo... or Ali... or Lewis... or Bowe...

 

Most era's don't, just as those guys don't typically get their size credentials, tested against a Mickey Walker!

 

Most era's do since Foreman/Holmes time...

The few midgets to make a dent in the division since were extremely quick and/or defensively slick...

 

Maybe they were right all along?:think:hey

 

Given the fighters available at the time, and the results they got, we have to assume that they were badly wrong