Larry Holmes vs Tyson Fury

Cleanest rebuttal I’ve ever read. Kudos.

 

So let me get this straight; according to you, after having been pro for 5 years (and had been boxing 10 years prior to that) he was "ultra raw" but after Cunningham, suddenly developed from "ultra raw" into a world-class fighter in the span of 2 years? You're a clown if you actually believe this.

Key word CRUISERWEIGHT. Not heavyweight.

His record against the above men you listed are 3-2, and all three of those wins were in the cruiserweight division, not in the heavyweight division where he never proved he was world class, as I stated. Also all of those above wins were when he was still somewhat young, and NOT the 37 year old at the end of the road who Fury went life and death with.

 

Appreciate that buddy!! I have no problems, with anyone picking Fury to win this at all, but nitpicking a 36 year old Holmes' performance, while making all the excuses in the world for a 25 year old Fury struggling against a 37 year old opponent at the end of the road, is sickeningly hypocritical and reeks of fanboyism.

 

No you’re a clown if you think otherwise, of course you can be raw and inexperienced and have a world level fight then pick up loads, talented fighters with all time great potential and will pick things up fast even in defeat, look at the Haye vs Thompson fight, no fighter can have loads of amateur fights without world level pro experience and not be raw
Of course you can be ‘ultra raw’ and within the space of 2 years become a world level fighter it has been done time and time again

 

I think holmes wins but his reach is NOTHING compared to Fury's. I see holmes dancing around fury, slipping jabs and hooks and punching the body and work to a UD. If they tried to swap jabs Fury would clearly win

 

No offense, but really? Holmes' jab is quite likely the greatest in heavyweight history, probably top 10 pfp. I don't see Fury's anywhere near that.

 

No it is trust me. Holmes Jab was a weapon. But Holmes was mostly fighting opponents shorter than him or with a shorter reach with some exceptions. Fury's height and reach is unlike anything Holmes has ever faced. However like i said Holmes can dance and he's slick especially against taller fighters like he was against Cooney. Holmes himself even said he wouldn't be swapping jabs as "it aint no match" he said in an interview he'd be circling around Fury, jabbing the body, breaking him down and would try to knock him out. And Holmes could pull it off, hell Cunningham almost did and Cunningham is no Holmes

That would be the best way he could fight Fury

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksp...-deontay-wilder-quit-tyson-fury-knockout/amp/

Here's Holmes taking about Wilder vs Fury 2 and explaining how he would have fought Fury

 

Nice try, but David Haye, had turned pro the year before and had a mere ten fights, and less than an hour of ring time, prior to fighting Thompson compared to Fury who'd been pro for 5 years, had twice as many fights, and despite your claim that he had no "world level pro experience" he'd already beaten Derek Chisora, a fringe contender.

No, you cannot be pro for FIVE YEARS and still be "Ultra raw" then suddenly develop into a world-class fighter seemingly overnight. One of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. I can easily accept that he was somewhat green, but the way you describe him you'd think it would be his first fight.

 

Not that it makes a big difference in the debate but im pretty sure Fury had his first amateur bout at 16yrs of age.

 

He was raw at world level, he threw too many punches at the wrong times and left himself open for counter rights and didn't use his feet enough and he did improve dramatically after that ONE fight, that is what good fighters do, they learn after experiences

 

Fury would not put himself into range to be hit with counters or anything really, also Fury is unpredictable with his attacks, he can throw all punches from all angles and use feints effectively, also Fury beat Wilder and Klitschko and Klitschko was not washed up at all, he had been coming off of 2 good performances against decent fighters at the time and Klitschko was clearly roided to the gills and Fury went to Klitschko's backyard against his judges

 

I can understand some of the points made, but Fury never fought anyone near the level of 1980 Holmes. Shoot, I'm not sure he ever fought someone the level of 1978 Norton.

 

You're really starting to **** me off because you are ignoring most of my points in favor of the one or two points you feel you can best refute. As I said, he already faced someone with world class experience in Chisora, who was infinitely more proven at heavyweight, than Cunningham, let alone a 37 year old one.

If Holmes had half as bad as a performance against a 37 year old, we would never hear the end of it from you but because it's Fury, you make excuse after laughable excuse. Your mouth is on his dick more than wife's!

 

I think it might be more like @Devon is just a really big fan of Fury's...though I admit some of his points seem to go round and round...

No offense, Devon. I do understand some of your points, but you threw me with the comment about Holmes' jab. Only Liston can compare to that jab, my friend...and I see Liston stopping Fury in both their primes. Fury just doesn't have that kind of jaw, nor the grace of a 60s Ali and prime Holmes.