Larry Merchant's quote on Floyd's.......

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It's a fighter's responsibility to protect themselves inside AND outside the ring. Whether it's 100% or not, it's the best testing on the market. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

Floyd was able to beat DLH and Ricky.....but it took him 22 roudns to do so. Manny only took 10. Does that mean that Manny is better than Floyd?:verysad Or that Manny would beat Floyd?:-(

It just means that styles make fights and you look at the fight with JMM vs Floyd on a surface level. When there are PLENTY of elements surrounding the fight itself that plays a major role in how the fight went down.

There are things that Floyd does well that Manny will have problems with and vise versa. How they combat those issues are yet to be known. But they both have an equal chance at winning this one.

Manny isn't as easily timed or counter as you'd like to think. His percentage of punches landed on him suggest he's very solid defensively and that's against guys like JMM who are VERY accurate...and the fights with JMM was at their ideal weight in JMM's prime....Manny has of course evolved and improved since their rematch where Manny won a tight decision.

Floyd fients wont be necessary b/c Manny will be engaging and pushing the action. So the counters that are there with feints are gonna be present without them....the problem is will Floyd have enough breathing room to open up enough to win the majority of rounds.

You could be right....Floyd may in fact be too strong for Manny. I don't see that. But anything can happen in this game which includes Manny beating Floyd in a UD or stoppage.

 

No problems with getting more strict testing measures...I think that is universally known to be a good move. But Floyd didn't have to go about spreading lies and rumors to set up the demands. Which is why he didn't get Manny to agree to them as easily as you may have liked.

If you heard there were robberies in your neighborhood and you wanted to upgrade your alarm system that would be fine....but don't be surprised if your home still got robbed.

For me it's comparing the styles b/c the tools and god given gifts are pretty equal. It's the way the fight and what they bring to the ring that has me feeling Manny wins. Both are fast...both are talented and both are great....but One is a pure defensive master boxer and the other a offensive machine.

It's gonna come down to who's will is greater...Skills are definitley in favor of Floyd but PAC's got skills himself and other intangibles that have defined his greatness that floyd will have to deal with.

 

Ok .. that's 1 way of looking @ it .. but this is why I see may winning .. we have seen how mayweather handles pressure , southpaws, volume punchers etc.. granted non were on paqs level but we have an idea of how he handles it ... we've also seen how paq handles counter punchers and boxers who move ... and with everything put in the table ... I just don't see paq winning ... most I give paq is a punchers chance and he has to hurt may on a couple of occassions to get him out of there ... floyd isn't going to get k.o. by 1 punch or punishment absorbed in 1 round ...I don't see it

 

Of course it's a fighters responsibility to protect themselves in and out of the ring. That's common sense. But that has nothing to do with the rules and regulations in place to ensure the safety of the fighters. My point is that the tests will not ensure anything...it's just an added measure in hopes that it deters or catches an athlete if they are doping. I don't think there is anything wrong with added measures but don't try and act like you are doing it for one reason why it's actually requested for something compeltey different. And there was NO reason to start rumors that were baseless which caused damage to anther man's rep...even if it wasn't detrimental it's still there which shouldn't be the case.

 

I don't see that either.....I honestly see Manny winning but know it's not gonna be easy. Floyd is a great boxer! Manny is a great fighter...they both are gonna see things that they will have to overcome. PAC has more than a punchers chance..he's operating on level with Floyd in the speed, talent and athletic ability areas.

Skill wise......You know Floyd has that on lock....but Manny has explosive power and his awkward style that will be an issue for floyd like it's been an issue with everyone else who lost to Manny.

It'll be a good one....I just hope it gets made.

 

Styles do indeed make fights but that doesn't mean a fighter doesn't have tendencies that can't be exploited. And Pac has WAY more than Floyd. Floyd has problems with southpaws but they are the same problems every orthodox fighter has. But Manny has outright FLAWS in his boxing technique that years of fighting conventional fighters hasn't corrected. Bottom line, his defense is his offense. I don't know how many of Floyd's fights you've seen but he can fight in practically any fashion. I've seen him win fights banging on the inside and potshotting on the outside. I've seen him crush fighters by opening up offensively and baiting and trapping them with footwork and counters. Is Pac going to bring something to the table that Floyd has never seen? Maybe but Floyd doesn't even have to find out. He can just get in Manny's chest and muscle him, take away his angles. Bang Pac's body from close range and use Pac's own body as a shield.

Pac is a dangerous fighter and I'd much rather SEE who would win. But, if there is a flaw in Mayweather's arsenal, I haven't seen it yet. People are crowing about how Floyd almost got KO'd but no one is talking about how he recovered from getting hit with two massive right hands from a world-class fighter INSTANTLY and walked him down.

I view this from a logical standpoint. But logic and the fights don't always mix. Pac COULD do exactly what you think he'll do. I'll leave hope to the hardcore Pac fans.

 

Lance f-ing Armstrong. He was accused, he tested, he passed, he kicked their asses! Oh, and every single Olympian that has competed in the past 40 years or so.

 

Easy way to find out:deal

 

Spoken like someone who's never been in a ring... or a tomato can.

I have 40 MILLION reasons why Pac should take the test.

 

I'm not sure what lies and rumors you're referring to. The worst Floyd Jr has done is speculate which isn't even anything remotely close to being considered unethical. If you're going to throw blame for rumors, negative hearsay, etc. the target should be put on Roger and Floyd Sr. If I'm Pac I put aside the gossip and trash talk and give the fans what they want. By conceding he isn't necessarily giving in to Floyd but doing something great for his fans. Besides, he'll get to wear his preferred gloves and keep his ridiculous weight penalty. So it can't be that bad.

And I'm not saying that there is anything out there that will protect me 100% from criminal activity. The point is I'm doing something about it. It's obvious that when there's a problem there needs to be some sort of action to find a solution. I'd rather credit Floyd, despite his unpopular character role, than criticize him for putting forward the OSDT demand.

I tend to lean towards Floyd when it comes to a match up between him and Pac. But I'm unsure at times when I consider the intangibles. Pac just fights like he would rather die than lose a bout. To Floyd's detractors' credit, I'm a firm believer that no fighter is invincible as I recently saw MMA fighter Lyoto Machida brought back to Earth in his recent loss against a guy on a roll. The interesting thing is there is no other fighter in Boxing on a more impressive roll than Pac. He definitely is a threat to Floyd. Then again, I tend to believe a great fighter will almost always beat a great smaller fighter.

 

I don't agree that Manny has more tendencies that can be exploited which is where you and I have a difference of opinions. I feel Floyd is very predictable.....it's just hard to capitolize on his mistakes b/c he's so skilled and talented. But he's beatable and I feel Manny has the tools and attributes to take advantage of those tendencies.

Floyd style won't see him bullying Manny. He's a finesse fighter. I doubt we'll see him in Manny's chest and bullying him around...but who knows. I was thoroughly impressed with how Floyd beat Shane and how he recovered and stayed calm and composed. It's a credit to his "coolness" as a fighter. He's not one to be taken out of his game easily.

It's not just Hardcore "PAC" fans who are giving Manny a chance at beating Floyd...it's causual and hardcore fans of boxing. There are elements in this match up that are just too complex to just say one guy is goning to beat the snot out of the other. It's gonna be a competitive fight and the best man will come out the victor...who that will be is to be determined after the fight....so lets hope it gets done':good

 

But you also see the flip side right.....Floyd has $40 Million reasons NOT to demand the tests. It goes both ways.

 

You've missed the obvious one.

He thinks Pac is taking something.

 

what the fu34 is so puzzling about "IF HE TAKES THE TESTS THAN WE CAN FIGHT"...ITS OBVIOUS FLOYD THINKS PAC IS ON SOME $HIT..AT LEAST IN HIS MIND...NOT MUCH TO BE PUZZLED ABOUT REALLY...

THIS FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG OVER WITH BY NOW IF MANNY WOULDA ACCEPTED THE RANDOM BLOOD TESTING UP UNTIL THE 14 DAYS.