Last time two lineal champs met?

Do you understand how the 'linear title' is claimed?

 

yup. he beat the man who beat the man who...etc. By the definition, he's leneal

however, the fact that hill and maske created a new lineage shows that lineages are broken and rebuilt relatively frequently in boxing history.

the criteria for hill and maske to fight for the lineal title is as spurious or valid in my opinion as jones becoming champion by unifying.

who decided hill and maske were the only possible claimants? What was the criteria? And what is that criteria to jones collecting all the belts are beating anyone who would actually fight him?

 

hill and maske created a new lineage because they beat other champions and established themselves as the top 2...how is this different from jones beating other beltholders or claiming belts in the ring and essentially cleaning out 175, establishing himself as number 1?

I understand that you can't just decide who the lineal champion is, it has to be won. but that's what happened with hill, he was just deemed lineal champion against maske. he certainly never beat michael spinks for it.

now spinks retired, so a new lineage had to be created. however, at what point could DM no longer be considered the true champion is the division and a new lineage was created with the new number 1 fighter jones? Is that possible?

 

When Jones Jr beat Michalczewski et al, which he at the very least, would of been a warm favourite to do so, be it in Vegas, Berlin or Timbuktu. But for whatever reason did not.

 

yup. i agree in a way. the ring created a new lineage for jones based on his dominance. not sure if it makes him lineal but in the end, i hold jones as 175 pound champion for a number of years. he was the best, he beat other titlests and except for that one name, cleaned out the division.

but no, likely can't be considered lineal

 

Rather than lineal you should have asked for instances where the number 1 guy in a weight class fought the number 1 in another weight class. Although they should be the same thing, as explained by others it is often not.

Also with the Jones example; he picked up 2 of the 3 belts that were stripped from DM (alphabet politics), so if he hadn't been stripped Jones wouldn't have had any claim to anything without beating DM.

 

No, you are not. I will confess I have just as much fun talking the politics of the sport as I do watching it. To be honest that aspect of the sport fascinates me.

 

More examples:

Winky (154) vs Taylor (160) - 2006.

If you still see/ saw Mayweather as lineal at 147 after his "retirement" then you could count his fight with JM Marquez (135) in 2009...

 

There is a strong argument that Eredi relinquished his title, and that Dawson Pascal was for the vacant crown.

 

While Erdei fights at 175, the argument loses credit. It shows the flaw in the linear system.

 

Linear is based on a flawed system that at its worse becomes a matter of opinion. The term 'best' is opinionated period.

 

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Erdei left 175lbs in 2009 then retired for a while in 2010, effectively giving up any Lineal claim at 175.