Lee Oma vs. 2017 heavyweights

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  1. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If you can slip a 29 year old Ezzard Charles and make him stumble across the ring you are doing something right.

    [url]http://makeagif.com/gif/ezzard-charles-vs-lee-oma-world-heavyweight-title-1951-01-12-extended-highlights-HWSQ-W[/url]

    Sneaky right hand too. Oma comes across as a cagey tough guy in that fight. He gave a good effort.

    [url]http://makeagif.com/gif/ezzard-charles-vs-lee-oma-world-heavyweight-title-1951-01-12-extended-highlights-K5rSBv[/url]


    Who the hell is Scott? How many rated fighters has he jabbed to death? He has a 31% KO rate in the modern era despite only fighting two rated men and got knocked out by a blocked punch.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Bermane Stiverne's last 2 fights are a points win over Derrick Rossy and a one-sided loss to Deontay Wilder.
    Both fights happened in 2015.
    He's ranked 7th.
    The standards are low.

    Say what you want about Oma, the guy was active and winning.
     
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  3. reznick

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    Love the gifs you've been posting. They make for a stronger argument than anything else.
    Keep it up!
     
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  4. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Thank you, and that's exactly why I started using them.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

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    And I could easily make a bunch of gifs from that fight's footage of Oma slowly plodding around the ring. Not sure what it would prove.
     
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  6. reznick

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    Unless he looked real real bad, not much :lol:
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Shows occasional caginess in the Charles fight but overall looked very unexceptional. Charles threw a wild haymaker and stumbled accordingly. Sequence has absolutely no bearing on whether Oma could close the distance against someone like Scott. Not eating a lunging hook from a small 185-lb ATG (light heavyweight) is impressive and all but there are still some dots that need to be connected if we want to turn that into an argument about him beating Scott.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

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    Thanks for your honesty in admitting that. :applaudit: I know that you really only value cherry-picked footage when it shows older fighters doing something you find impressive. :wave:
     
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  9. janitor

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    Well I know one thing for sure.

    He wasn't successful for no reason!
     
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  10. janitor

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    To be fair he seems to have owed a bit to smart match making.

    He fought a few name fighters who were on the slide.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Wonder if Malik Scott loses to Bill Nichy (25 losses), Phil Muscato (184lbs, 13 losses), Colion Chaney (179lbs), Henry Flakes (twice), and gets stopped by Buddy Walker (180lbs) and Tami Mauriello?
     
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  12. reznick

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    Unless he has the footwork of David Price, what exactly would him "plodding" around prove? You take the most meaningless examples to make a point lol

    Your definition of cherry picking is screwed up
    Guess we can't show TDs that Tom Brady throws to assess his skills either lol
    We can only show him losing his balance or fumbling the ball :lol:
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Is that a serious question? Slow footwork from a tiny heavyweight with mediocre power is a recipe for disaster against a much taller, longer, faster heavy. Sorry if you didn't understand that.

    The Brady analogy is so inapt here that I don't know where to begin. So I won't.

    Either a video is revealing and representative of some of a fighter's strengths and weaknesses or it isn't. Your understanding of "cherry-picking" seems to be warped and one-sided. Seems like you believe that anything that captures a possible flaw or limitation in an older fighter's style or skill set is somehow unfair or inappropriate.
     
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  14. reznick

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    This is a new pattern I notice. Ranked old school boxers with an abnormal amount of losses to journeymen on their records seem to rack of many of their losses when they fight twice or three times a month, and often.

    How many times did Malik Scott fight twice in a month? 0?
     
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  15. janitor

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    Those people take in quite a range of abilities.

    He very likely would have lost to Flakes and Maurellio for a start!
     
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