Legit fights that would seem shady with old film?

Well.. Not entirely sure if it's legit?! But in old type film.. Tyson v seldon?. The kds seemed dodgy, as if the wind from tyson s punches seemed to floor Bruce and the even the way he jumped up and then decided to wobble! I can imagine if that fight were from the early century some people would shout bull****!

 

"Ill go to my grave believing Michael Moorer took a dive." klompton

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/hearns-wanted-a-piece-of-tyson-in-1990.268702/page-3

Yes, I agree that there's an irony there.

But I'd say if opinions on what is and what isn't legit vary so much perhaps the question of this thread is a dead end in itself.

 

I don't see the punch land.
Yes, Tyson's glove seems to "pass" his head rather than connect with it.

 

I think perhaps the reverse.
Everyone in the modern age believes Tyson-Seldon is dodgy because Seldon is caught on clear multi-angled fim. You're one of the few I've seen say "not sure". Most people are sure Sedon put on an act.
The old style flickery film would probably give Seldon a better oportunity to get away with it.

 

Yes, but if such a nugget of information could even theoretically exist, how can you claim anything as legit based on film ?

Judging from your first statement about Foreman-Moorer KO you think the camera replays convincing, compelling evidence that the KO is legit.
But there's still some room to doubt it ......

 

That's a good way of looking at it.

 

To add: I guess this is generally true.
Probably the old film is better for the "dive artist" to get away with it.
We see an old film and don't have a clear view of the KO punch, we assume that's a result of the limitations of the film.
With clearer film, slow-motion and multi-angles we'd probably find more fault with the actual fighters, in some cases.

 

I think there's room to doubt it.
I've disagreed with klompton on it because he provides "Bob Arum" and "money" as his cornerstone evidence, if I understand him correctly.

But I can doubt most fights, really. Even what look like "legit KO punches" could be prearranged or deliberately received. A fighter intending to lose by KO might end up getting KO'd in the process rather than risk doing a farcical flop that no one would ever believe.

I'm not sure that's reasonable doubt but there's a margin for doubt.

It seems in a lot of these cases we all see something different.

 

When I say # not sure #I mean I'd be gob smacked if it was! Lol