Counter punch refers to the punch being thrown BY the counter punchER. I never said ortiz is a power puncher because of his resume. I was responding to herolgees claim that ortiz wouldnt be a good win on lewis' resume and i pointed out that even some of lewis better opponents like briggs, morrison, and golota were not as good as ortiz skill wise. Try to keep up. The conversation you and i were having was comparing the effects ortizs punches had on the opponent compared to other big hitters like whyte and povetkin. I NEVER brought up ortizs resume as direct evidence of his power. Now stop changing the subject. Address your nonsensical claim that unproven rookies like dubois and serenko hit harder when they have 8 professional fights against uber drivers.