Lets settle the did tyson duck foreman debate

Yep, thats what it takes to make your face look like a water balloon against the great Alex Stewart, standing directly in front of that FIGHTER (I guess crappy should´ve gotten that capslock )

Since your comeback, have you ever made an argument other than "he was my boxing hero", wearing these multicoloured glasses?

Top 5 simpleton on this board for me so far. Congrats!

 

How many landed? How many came close to landing? One has to be at least somewhat believable. Witherspoon tried to get out of the fight. How interested did he really look? It's bizarre.

Smith was in full training.

 

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Yes, that's the first choklab post here where I felt his reasoning was mortally flawed.

That said, no criticism intended, most if not all the crap I write is mortally flawed.

 

Smith was not a crappy fighter. He was limited but an extreme handful for any great heavyweight. How crappy can a guy be who knocks out a prime Bruno, Weaver and Witherspoon?

Comeback George was a different proposition to the first George Foreman. I think you are blurring both carnations of George to invent something here that never existed. Comeback George was a mere contender level guy. A legit contender mind, but limited at world level.

comeback George had heavy hands. He was very experienced. He fought at a walk and was very limited at world level. His jab was a good single punch, but it wasn’t fast or anywhere near the effective tool you think it was. He could not do much with it when he moved up in class.

George was fortunate he had that deal with HBO. If George Foreman was managing Bonecrusher Smith (with that same HBO golden deal) Smith could have had all the same preparation and won all the same fights Foreman did.

 

The mythical Foreman.....

12 with absolute cannon fodder Schulz/Saverese/Grimsley........12 with Tommy Chin..........10 with Glass cannon Stewart...........that some brutal killer stuff right there..................a shot to shid stoned Tyson waxed Golata in 2 while Foreman would never ever go near a fighter of Golatas caliber despite being a Polish mental midget

Some more Killer stuff..............after winning a couple of belts from Moorer he refused to fight the coked out Ghost of Tony Tucker and got stripped..........hand picked the c level Kraut and got a gift decision, refused the ordered rematch and got stripped too........the stuff of legends.

The old man was lucky to never meet Tyson in the Ring, he would have gotten seriously hurt..

 

I was disappointed George split all the belts up again. He messed up the division at that time. He denied worthy challengers a title chance and instead fought who he liked.

 

Weaver was faded and could no longer take a punch. Even Williams hurt him in their brief affair.

We've surely deduced Witherspoon was both out of shape and disinterested. That is on him but it's certainly a worthwhile thing to keep in mind especially given Tim all but shut the same guy out previously.

Bruno had the fight won before being knocked out late. Sorta like Foreman - Moorer

You say Boncrusher would be "an extreme handful for any great heavyweight". I completely disagree. I think Ali would have far less than an "extreme handful" with him. I think peak Holmes would be the same. He was a handful for Holmes but Larry was far from peak. There are many others i'd put in the same boat including peak Foreman.

We do however have an actual event against a great heavyweight -

Would you describe him as giving Mike Tyson "an extreme handful"? He won but a single round on two cards and none on the other and mostly hugged Tyson like he was his girl.

To be fair tho Bonecrusher was a good fighter. Emile Griffith started training him a bit before the Bruno fight and helped him improve quite a bit. He won some and lost some against quite good fighters.

No, comeback George was lineal champion level for a time. He rose above "mere contender level" by winning the lineal title. No matter how hard you try to pretend it didn't happen it simply did and posters in here aren't about to forget it.

Winning a lineal title does not equal "very limited at world level". Your continual denial of this point gives your game away.

 

Hmmmmmmm, did anyone lose to both Foreman and Liston?

Could a relative of Scrap Iron be among us?

 

Big George would have knocked Tyson out inside 2 rounds, it would have been a reverse of his Berbick massacre.

 

Yeah, the window for any sort of ducking seems narrow indeed. George wasn't much of a viable contender when Tyson held the crown and I don't think he was very interested in facing Tyson when he didn't have it. When Tyson got out of prison George was on the way to losing his belts and Mike only briefly held the WBC and then the WBA, so the situation was kind of similar then.

 

This is exactly how I see it.

There was only a very small window of opportunity.

Things may have been different if Mike hadn't have gone to jail for those three years.