Lewis shot when he fought Vitaly?

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  1. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "he wanted Tyson and after that he's not that interested ..."
    "Lewis wanted to fight Kirc Johnson for the IBO Title..."

    What was motivating Lewis to fight Kirk in the first place, was the IBO belt so precious?
     
  2. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This can't be a serious question. "Shot" should mean the fighter's reflexes, power, speed, skill etc had eroded to about 1/2 or less of what they were. Lewis was in no way shot. He had recently had some of his best performances and he accounted himself well against Vitaly (a huge, prime, tough HW) if he didn't look his absolute best. Lewis was in great shape and even at 37 or whatever he was, he was close to prime or his best. (Man's peak is about 30 and given that they can live to 120-potentially-, 37 ain't that far from prime if you're like lewis and take care of yourself).
     
  3. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    What is shot?
     
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    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Perhaps Mercer was double shot?
     
  5. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    .... I think in general, not being able to put the best performance due to some irreversible reasons .... put the reasons you want.

    People are claiming that Lewis poor performance was due to being overweight and not mentally in the fight ... that is not shot until he would be able to get back mentally and with better shape in the rematch ... would he be able?

    In comparison the very similar case was Bowe vs Golota ... Bowe was clearly overweight in the first fight but this was considered as he was just shot. So if this is the case then Lewis was shot also, but was too wise to not allow for the rematch which would looks the same like Bowe - Golota II.
     
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    Wrong muscle and fat has the same weight but different volume, so you can fit more muscle cells in the same space as fat.
     
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    :rofl That is some funny ****....:yep That is funniest **** I have read today. Man can live to 120...so there isn't much difference between 30 and 37? You have to have **** for brains to believe in that type of reasoning...I guess when your 60, you have only lived half of your life? Should retirement be moved up to 100 maybe 105?
     
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    Stezzie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If thats the case then you could make this arguement; Iron and styrofoam have the same weigh but different volume, so you can fit more iron atoms in the same space as styrofoam.

    Do you realize what you are saying...?
     
  9. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ha ha what a witty retort, genius. the point is that 120 is believed to be the max lifespan and people have recently lived close to the number, but it's rarely reached given the average lifestyle, habbits of man. it's also believed by scientists that average man's peak is 29-31. we all know people (and some athletes like couture, hopkins, for example) who can do a lot of things in their early 40's as well as they did at 30 or they don't look like they've hardly aged. so the statement is not absurd-- one with good genetics and who has a healthy lifestyle shouldn't be significantly aged in 6 years or so as to be 'shot.' And the length of the lifespan (120) puts that in perspective, Einstein. However, given that the average lifespan is still 75-80 (in developed nations), most people are going to be well aged at age 60 or so and ready for retirement. Most atheletes are about 'shot' by their late 30's early 40's, but it doesn't have to be that way and there are exceptions to the rule. Lewis, unless you're blind, wasn't 'shot' when he fought Vitaly. Lewis was just past his prime, but still a top hw in almost any era and not singificantly eroded.

    Edit: it all comes down to your definition of 'shot', my point is that an athlete who takes care of himself and is able to avoid a lot of blows to the head shouldn't be 'shot' in their mid to late 30's, but they will obviously be slightly less than their best (at least). My definition of shot would be about 1/2 of what the athelete was and barely competitive with other good atheletes.
     
  10. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Well... duh!

    That's like saying feathers weigh the same as bricks... if you weigh a million times more feathers than bricks. :patsch

    The point is that Lennox may have only weighed 7 lbs more, but he was in way worse shape and that the numbers don't tell the whole story.
     
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    The date was originally scheduled for the Lennox-Tyson rematch.

    Tyson then decided he needed a tune-up first, so the date was meant to be for a double-header with Tyson and Lennox in different bouts in order to hype up the rematch.

    Then Tyson pulled out altogether and Vitali-Boswell was added to the card.

    So to answer the question, the Johnson fight was only happening because the date had been reserved and they had already sunk money and energy into setting up *something* on that date. It was a keep-busy fight against a low-threat opponent.
     
  12. LennoxGOAT

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    Debating whether a 38 year old heavyweight champ, who defended his belt against the best contender in the division, was "shot" only cements Lennox's greatness in the game.
     
  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But the greatness at that time was questionable assuming Vitaly looked even better than Lewis and the reason he lost was that his eye was ****ed up. Then Lennox rather retired than gave deserved rematch. So did he won rightfully even being "shot" or did he won just by lucky cut?
     
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    Well said! But he was actually 37.
     
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    lennox felt shot that night but wasnt a shot fighter due to being undertrained , he looked like he did when rahman knocked him out and if he would met Vitali again im sure we would of seen the trimmer focused fear lewis (Rahman rematch) but hey he got the win and cleaned up the divison so why go through all that effort again , he got out before he was consistenlty shot ,which makes him a smart living legend