I agree one shot KOing a guy who ate flush punishment from Valdez and Marciano can't compare to stopping Tuesday Night Fight Legend Jimmy Thunders with an unanswered flurry.
He destroyed Eddie Machen in 1 round. Machen went 12 round distance with Liston. He had Patterson far more 'out of it' went he hit him than when Liston hit him. Against Ingemar it was obvious Patterson didn't know where he was, he took a real brain-scrambling shot. But against Liston, Patterson was just bludgeoned by a heavier man and seemed to know what was happening. Patterson has stated the same thing. I don't know if they had any other common opponents.
You want available footage ? Liston had Patterson counted out twice. Knock outs. Ingo did not . How's that ? Other than the Machen fluke there is not even another credible opponent Ingo even ever fought let alone KO'ed ... Liston meanwhile flattened much bigger , stronger men ... these are facts .. you backed up nothing but restated your Ingo Doctrine.
Not the best example? He's the only guy Chris Byrd stopped that was even remotely a fringe contender. He's the only example. What great opponents or even good opponents did Chris Byrd knock out? What bad ones did he knock out? He rarely even hurt anybody. Patterson KOed some great fighters, you just can't even.....compare the two.
Chris Byrd blowing Archie Moore and Ingo out are nice fantasies and all...but ultimately the man never done anything against the competition in front of him to suggest he was capable of such a feat. Are you suggesting Jimmy Thunder was harder to stop than Archie Moore? I'm done....
Jimmy Thunder a tougher fight than #1 HW Archie Moore.... Ok, I'm not going to waste any more time with you or take you seriously.
A 49 year old Moore hospitalized Lavorante, who was the same size as Thunder and actually a world class contender in the 60s. But yeah, once upon a time Archie Moore was a middle weight so that never happened I guess..keep dreaming. :hi:
Because Liston was a better fighter. Ingemar was a sloppy finisher. The 1959 Patterson fight should have been stopped after the first KD, as Patterson was completely unaware where he was. Why do you call the Eddie Machen KO a "fluke" ... because that suits your agenda ? Who did Liston "flattened" who was more durable ? I don't have an "Ingo Doctrine". I know Ingemar wasn't as good a fighter as Liston. I also understand that he wasn't as big or as bad. I'll even admit - though it would kill Ingo to learn it - that he wasn't as black or as American as Sonny. And Sonny wore cool hats. But Ingemar's knock-out right-hand punch was as hard as any punch in the world.
Ingo came on the scene to knock out the two best heavyweights in the world back to back. Neither had been knocked out before. They were KO virgins but ingo broke them in. It would be like someone knocking out both klit brothers back to back then saying he did not hit hard....but one brother has already been knocked out so even that would not be as good.
Plenty of fighters were sparked out by Ingemar Johansson. Sure, they weren't all top fighters, but who exactly did Liston knock out to make him a better puncher ? Ingo KO'd the #1 contender and the world champion. Plenty of fighters attested to Johansson having awesome power in his right hand.
I think Ingo caught Machen cold ,and that it was a bit of a fluke result that flattered him . He hit him with the kitchen sink before the stoppage Ingo would never honour the return clause though Machen chased him, maybe he knew he had been lucky?