Liston's victims vs Holmes' victims

Well your wrong. No way was Besmanoff, Marshall better than Johnny Summerlin and Henry Clark. Besmanoff and Marshall would get outclassed by Summerlin.

Mike DeJohn and Nino Valdes were both dangerous punchers. Roy Harris, Johnny Summerlin were also good fighters. Especially Summerlin.

 

Butterbean is on the Holmes team !
What you think of that ?

 

**** IT! "Bean" trained hard for Holmes in 2002............ Bean was near or at 332 pounds and went 10 decently paced rds......... On the other hand, Holmes was age 52 and 254 bloated pounds, but still owned a good jab to carve and paste Bean throughout for the decision......

Considering the site (Virginia) and overall promotion, the bout was not as laughable as some jackasses' contend........... I have a copy......

MR.BILL

 

1. Patterson vs Norton >Norton
2. Machen vs Witherspoon >>Witherpsoon
3. Cleveland Williams vs Cooney >>Cooney
4. Folley vs Mercer >> Mercer
5. Shavers vs Harris >>Shavers
6. DeJohn vs Weaver >>Weaver
7. Carl Williams vs Valdes (old) >>>Williams
8. Bethea vs Cobb >>Bethea
9. Besmanoff vs Snipes >>Snipes
10.Marshall vs Berbick (green) >>Berbick
11.Whitehurst vs Smith >>Smith
12.Wepner vs Butterbean (oh boy)>>Wepner

7-3 for Liston.

 

You mean Holmes' comp was better.:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

Valdes was pretty well washed up by the time Liston beat him. Summerlin, DeJohn, and Harris were decent fighters, not on the level of Witherspoon or even Bonecrusher though. Point is, it really doesn't matter who you put on the list... Holmes beat the better fighters overall. If you take Patterson, Machen, Folley, and even Cleveland Williams off the list, what do you really have?

Not taking anything away from Sonny Liston. Liston fought who was out there at the time... it's also a fact that Cus D'amato didn't want Patterson to fight him.

Holmes fought who was out there during his time as well... it can be said that he did become a bit more selective with who he fought once he was HW champ for a few years, that's normal though.

H2H? I'll take Holmes. Holmes remained on top for a long time... went 48-0 overall and 21-0 in HW World Title fights before losing two very close fights to Michael Spinks back to back. He did well vs. a variety of fighting styles. He was able to come back and win (sometimes by KO) when he was hurt or even knocked down. Holmes had the right combination of height, reach, size, strength, stamina, durability, power, and overall boxing ability to beat almost any HW ever.

HW World Champs Holmes defeated-

Ken Norton (WBC), Mike Weaver (WBA), Muhammad Ali (3x Lineal HW Champ), Trevor Berbick (WBC), Leon Spinks (Lineal), Tim Witherspoon (WBC, WBA), James Smith (WBA), and Ray Mercer (WBO).

He came very close to beating Michael Spinks x2 (Lineal HW Champ), Oliver McCall (WBC HW Champ), and Brian Nielsen (IBO HW Champ... I know, who cares?)

He lost to Mike Tyson (Lineal HW Champ and 2x HW Belt Holder) and Evander Holyfield (2x Lineal and 5x HW Belt Holder... if you count the WBF) as well.

He also beat WBA CW Champ Ossie Ocasio.

Back to Liston. It must be said that in his day there wasn't a CW division or 13 different belts in the same weight division that say World Champion on them.

 

Typical. Picks against all the 1950s guys :roll:

 

what is it with you and Mendoza? You guys are always biased to **** eachother off.

 

And there's no way in hell Butterbean is among the top 12 fighters Holmes beat !

 

i think he did it out of humor