Overall, I agree with you but I dont think Mir is top 3 on his back. I'd pick quite a few fighters over him. But I mean, its 100x better than Overeem who is pretty average on the ground to say the least, its not even a comparison. And him saying Overeem would toss around Couture is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jesus, you are beyond a hater. You are just stupid. Overeem's gonna stop from being taken down how? Monson's gonna not only take Lesnar down, but hold him down in one of the most advantageous positions in grappling, and a position a wrestler like Lesnar has trained his entire life to get out of. A north-south choke is pretty similiar to a pinning combination in terms of set up, so while Brock might not have the slick technique to defend the choke once its there, getting there would be damn near impossible; he is much stronger and has been drilling that position since he could walk. Would you honestly bet your own money, on even odds, for either of those two to last to a decision with Lesnar? Even at 2-1 odds? If so, sign me the **** up.
1. Is that for subbing Tim Sylvia or Tank? There are tons of people that bring better grappling credentials to the table than Frank Mir and have a better list of subbed fighters. 2. I seem to remember that the reason Randy went down to LHW is because he couldn't compete with the big strong guys, kinda fits the bill for Roidereem.
Not credentials, ability, Traven had far more credentials and got armbarred in a minute against a green Mir. Who has the wide variety of attacks of his back that Mir does? Very very few people. Not to mention you were comparing him to Overeem, who absolutley has nothing on Mirs ground game. So in response to "not doing anything better" I think you are forgetting the entire grappling aspect of MMA, which Mir is on a level Overeem can't even see from his own level. Mir on the ground with Overeem means a broken Dutch limb. Overroid also fought at 205, he is not that much bigger than Randy. Randy picked Gonzaga into the air who is bigger, stronger, and has way more ability grappling that Alistair, and slammed the **** out of him. Randy spent several decades doing nothing but wrestling from the clinch. Overeem couldn't move randy, let alone toss him; not with 20 lbs not with 40, not with a shotgun, a backhoe, and a crane.
So Roidereem at a lean 250 is not much bigger than Randy who is about 220? Cool. The reem is just as big as Gonzaga, probably much stronger and if Randy tried to slam the **** out of him, he would get his head ripped off by the best guillotine in the sport. Subbing Vitor and Igor >>> subbing Traven who didn't seem to be capable of adapting his grappling ability to mma. Also, The Roided One would handle himself much better on the ground vs. Mur than you think and I doubt that Frank would be able to get a man, who eats hgh for breaks, lunch and dinner, to the ground in the first place.
You are turning a completely logical point that Overeem is a great figher into a horribly stupid statement that he is better in the clinch than Randy and better on the ground than Mir, has THE BEST guillotine in MMA, subbing a 5'6" Igor on the last legs of his career with a standing guillotine is better than subbing a BJJ World Champion; those are non sensical. Ever here of Pequeno Nogueira or Shaolin? Even Torres and Faber have just as good front chokes (theirs aren't pure guillotines though) Just as big as Gonzaga, who is a world class grappler and knows the clinch far better than Overeem? So he is just as big as the guy Randy lifted into the air and slamed, breaking his nose? Overeem gets ragdolled by a guy who is just as strong, but with 20-30 years of Clinch specific work before he even got into MMA. After Greco, when Randy turned full time MMA, he mastered the clinch even further. He isn't just a Greco guy either, he was a NCAA runner up to Mark Kerr (no shame in losing a wrestling match to Kerr) and has great leg sweeps from the clinch. Overeem has no chance in the clinch with a Greco/dirty boxing/MMA tactical master like Couture. Overeem is a great fighter, he might have the best striking in HW MMA, he has a great go to move on the ground. He might beat Couture or Mir, but the two things you said are absurd. Randy is worlds better in the clinch Mir is just as many worlds if not more better on the ground. Plus I love how we aren't even talking about how Overeem is going to do with a drug test.
Randy is no where near as strong as the reem, "The Natural" is about a hundred years old, while AO is in his physical prime and fueled by the best drugs money can buy. Alistair would just finish the job his brother started when he guillotined the man, who "is one of the best fighters in the clinch in the history of the world", rip his head off and carry it around on a pike.
