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I did not see 1 score card from anyone on ESB that had Canelo winning the first 4 rounds. Doesn't matter. Nobody in their right mind should have Canelo winning.

 

I don’t have Canelo winning, but you could certainly have him winning the first 4 (I had him winning 3 of those on my most recent viewing)

 

you don’t?!

but it was such a close fight…

 

Not 1 round
Got outlanded, outworked, and controlled every single round.

 

You say you scored it and yet referred to is as 'a 8-4 type of fight' - which is a tacit admission you hadn't. The power of language, huh? Isn't it great. You can't escape that phrase however much you try to. Now, you may have scored it subsequently but at the time you made the comment - it sparked our initial interaction if you remember - without a Shadow of doubt you hadn't. You keep swerving this point because of its terminal impact on everything else you raise.

It means, of the two of us, it's clear who is the more likely to be influenced by an overall view of the fight and partisan biases. You've got a position to defend rather than a score to relay. That's an important distinction.

And as for stamping 'failed' at the end of each of my points; I was scoring your replies. Point-by-point. Admittedly, I identified a pattern too. You clearly missed the subtle barb at play here.

Likewise, I gave my honest round-by-round score of the fight. It's posted in the thread linked below alongside many others, most of which are supportive of how I saw the fight. What you posted there has been entirely influenced by our conversation here. You try a little too hard to project faux objectivity by offering three scores and emphasising you'd scored it more than once, as if you have been wrestling with the fight's nuances and seeing key differences each time. Not very subtle, dude.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...f-bivol-vs-canelo.686305/page-2#post-21704247

You say in that thread: 'Live viewing: Bivol 9-3' but in this thread you called it a '8-4, 7-5 type of fight'. So, in one thread you suggest a definitive live scoring, in another an overall impression without scoring, and expressed numerically to give simple clarity. The latter example accurately reflects how you approached assessing this fight; the former only there to fill in inconvenient gaps. A bit like a TUE after a failed drugs test.

Which brings us back to the original point I made when we initially interacted here. I've taken you full circle and will leave it here...

 

So you still don’t understand, even after I explained it at a level that a ten year old could understand. Type means range of my scores. What part of this do you struggle with so much?

 

Not really, but it was far closer than what people are making out. Bivol clearly won. Bivol clearly didn’t come close to winning every round as some are claiming. Do you understand?

 

Keep chugging that cinnamon Kool Aid. Simpletons like you are easily swayed by the hype and the announcers who were blowing Canelo all night. In the end, even they had to admit he was toast. It’s sad to know all he needed to do was win the 12th to get another undeserved draw. I suppose you feel he won that round as well.

Chasing after an opponent ineffectively and getting punches blocked or laying on the ropes and getting hit doesn’t win many fights. Canelo usually gets every benefit of the doubt and usually has every questionable call go his way. It’s not surprising you guys are so butthurt by the results of this fight. I hope they fight again because Bivol is going to put a bigger beating on Canelo. I think he was holding back in the first fight. This is great for boxing.

 

For the sake of our conversation, I rewatched the 1st 4 rounds, and I did score them wrong. Initially I had Canelo winning only the 2nd, now I believe he lost all 4.

 

What changed?

 

At first viewing I thought Canelo landed more power shots. After the second viewing, I realized Bivol blocked a few of those shots, in a close round like that, it made a difference in they way I see it.

 

The truth hurts sometimes. Take a deep breath and hope for a better performance from Canelo next time.

 

The truth doesn't hurt, because the fight played out pretty much as I predicted. I said before the fight that I favored Bivol, so what happened wasn't shocking or difficult to accept. Many people didn't think Bivol could win a decision, I knew he could because I'm not a conspiracy theorist. It's not me who is struggling to deal with the result, it's others who are claiming that the scorecards were unreasonable.

When you rewatched that around, what I think happened was that you initially gave that round to Canelo, but then you rewatched it and looked for reasons to score it to Bivol, and ended up scoring it for him. Your initial viewing was probably correct, when you rewatch it there's a tendency to over think it or look for reasons to change your score. The fact is that you initially scored the round for Canelo because you saw the same thing that we all saw but few are willing to admit. Now you've gone back after reading all the reactions to the scoring with fans crying about the scorecards being too close and found a reason to change your score. You flip flopping who you thought won the round only speaks to the fact that it was a hard to score round and you can't make your mind up as to who won it, which were the case in not only that round but each of the first 4 rounds.

 

Just the 2 round I found close. The rest were pretty straight forward. But the reality is, Canelo did not sweep the 1st 4 rounds.