Loma and p4p misunderstanding

You realize olympic boxing has daily weigh ins that must not be more than 3 hours before a bout right? That means the fighters will be that weight when they fight. This is completely different than having a full day and night to rehydrate smh.

A pro boxer that rehydrates to 132 pounds on fight night will most likely be fighting at 126 or even 122, YDKSAB smh.

 

every great fighter has to overcome a 10 pound in ring weight discrepancy at some point. Do you think Sugar Ray Robinson was complaining that Jake Lamotta walked around at 180? God dam man. This is absolutely pathetic

 

It's a huge cut at 135, and unless you can somehow verify that he enters the ring above 150 I call bull****

 

I'd like to get more info, since Lopez certainly looked much bigger to me and he apparently himself said he'd look a lot different in the ring than on the weigh-in. At the same time there is also reason to believe that he didn't rehydrate much at all... A bit confusing all of this.

But, yes, great fighters of the past have certainly made greater journeys than 9 lbs and been successful, so he has more to prove before he can possibly join that company. A lot depends on what Lopez goes on to achieve and the outcome of a possible rematch.

 

Doesn't make your statement any less dumb. Though I agree that if Loma was as great as he was hyped up to be he would have found a way to win.

 

You’re confusing rehydration weight with natural size. Brook was reportedly the same weight as GGG on fight night, didn’t mean anything because GGG is naturally the bigger, denser and stronger man. Rehydration weight is all water, not muscle and can often end up leaving fighters feeling weak due to overhydration.

We aren’t privy to fight night weights anyway, so anything beyond judging fighters on their natural size is speculation. You seem to be affording Loma the benefit of the doubt here (‘Lopez was 150+‘), while assuming he himself was no heavier than visibly smaller guys on fight night. Loma had more size over GRJ and Sosa than Lopez had over him, there’s nothing more to it than what your eyes tell you.

 

Guess work? You have a pair of working eyes don’t you?

 

It’s not a huge cut by any means. What makes you think it is? A 150lb guy in UFC would be borderline undersized at 135, you think somehow the MMA guys can cut weight and boxers can’t?

 

Rehydration weight is not ‘all water’, that’s just the natural weight of the person when properly hydrated. Fighters rehydrate to get back to normal because they are dehydrated after cutting weight, not to artificially bulk up, come on man.

You can’t accuse me of speculation on one hand, while on the other hand claim some innate ability to eyeball ‘size’ on the other. THAT is pure speculation. Guessing weight is hard and people are built differently. The best measure of size is what the person weighs when they are properly hydrated and in peak shape. Hence why boxing has weight classes and not some other measure. Of course, it’s hard to gauge exactly what someone’s ‘true weight’ is and hence we get these endless debates.

The point with GGG v Brook is that they were the same weight because, presumably, Brook bulked up to fight at MW. If Brook and Golovkin are actually the same weight when in identically
peak fighting shape - well then that means they ARE the same size. I imagine though that GGG is a bit heavier.

My recollection is that at FW Loma’s fight night weights were usually about 135. The reality is therefore that he would rarely have had a significant weight advantage over ANYONE at FW. If you take GRJ for example, he apparently passed out trying to make 119 as a 20 year old and 126 is a comfortable weight class for him. That would suggest he enters the ring at a similar weight to Loma. If they are the same weight then in order to say Loma is ‘bigger’ you must be claiming it that GRJ is bulked up beyond his natural size at 126, the same as Brook was at 160. But what evidence is there of that? I reiterate, I have never heard a shred of evidence that GRJ is a blown up 126lb who could or should be fighting at a lower weight.

 

That’s back to front bro. No-one is saying rehydration is a ‘power up’. The point is someone like Lopez dehydrates to momentarily get to 135. ‘Rehydration’ just means returning to his actual weight so he doesn’t pass out or have a heart attack.

I think as far as we can tell, peak condition shredded Loma vs peak condition shredded GRJ = they weigh about the same

Peak condition shredded Loma vs peak condition shredded Lopez = Lopez is at least 10lb heavier

But this is literally mostly speculation so I’ll leave it at that. It is annoying though when people think the knock out argument is that they are just masters at eyeballing weight or ‘natural size’. Speculation is speculation.

 

That’s exactly what I’m saying, but what is that weight besides water and whatever food they have in their stomach? It’s basically all fluids, hence the term rehydration.

Brook is a good sized WW, GGG a good sized MW. Besides just looking at both guys, the fact GGG works hard to boil down to 160 and could never make 147 tells us he’s easily the bigger guy naturally.

GRJ could never do well at LW, he doesn’t have the frame for it and he’s only 5’4. Loma at 5’7 and being the naturally bigger guy had enough frame to fill out and not be at too much of a size disadvantage at 135.
I think you’re placing too much stock in supposed fight night and walk around weights. These are rarely verified and it’s mostly guess work what these guys are cutting and what they’re rehydrating back to.

 

you have Bud Crawford walking around @ 180 when not fighting and weighed 152 on fight night vs Gamboa @ 135 lb so 17 lbs, Canelo put on 20 lbs vs Angulo, Clottey put on 23 lbs vs Corrales @ 147... Cotto Vs Geale #158 Geale weighed 180 so 22 lbs... that is just to name a few the fact that fighters can gain weight after weigh in especially when they are younger in their career obviously you have not watched boxing long.