Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxing

andrewa1,

You CLEARLY have not watched both fighters!

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about, and every knowledgeable person on here is laughing at you.

Ali was so great, because he had unbelievable footwork, hand speed, timing and reflexes etc.

Louis is not a better match up.

He would have less chance of beating Wlad than Ali, because although he may have had an advantage in power, Ali was faster with more skills.

How are LL and the K's SUPERCHARGED versions of Ali?

So Ali would have had absolutely no chance of beating Wlad?



I think you'd be better off on a football forum or somewhere, because you are completely out of your depth on here. :good

 

The only thing that has been exposed, is your complete LACK of boxing knowledge.
Poor wittle Loudon, you keep trying but keep failing completely. Looking forward to going through your posts and exposing your complete lack of boxing knowledge along with complete lack of rational ability.

 

LoudonRe: Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxi
andrewa1,

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So knock down's don't matter, guess rounds won don't either. What a joke. Its how W's and L's come about, and you can make logical extrapolations (that is, someone with logical abilities can, you can't since you've demonstrated no grasp of logic). And, by your logic, prime Wlad was never ko'd, he's undefeated.
What the hell are you talking about?
If you're too brainless to understand, you shouldn't be commenting in these forums.

I didn't say they didn't count. But you keep constantly going on about his knockdowns, as though it somehow proves that he wouldn't have been able to beat Wlad. You're also completely ignoring the fact that Wlad has actually been knocked out three times.
Yeah, to guys way bigger and tougher than Sonny Banks. Also, to use you're rationale, WK has never even been knocked down while at his prime.


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Yes
You seriously think that Wlad has BETTER footwork than a peak Ali?
Yes, that's a real cool smilie, but it doesn't qualify as a rebuttal.
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Yes. Get a clue about boxing before you come to the forums. His only chance is a ko, since he would be dramatically outpunched by WLad based on comparative size and workrates. Seriously dude, your delusions are of the charts.
atsch See above

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I've answered the questions, you've failed.
You've answered nothing!

You'd be good in politics.

You speak, but you don't say anything.
So, let me paraphrase "I have no rational arguments so I'll namecall, refuse to acknowledge your rational arguments, and use smilies"



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That's not the case, and you know it, because you can't counter.
Um, so you offer no proof or logic, just, "you know that 2 plus 2 doesn't equal 4, and you can't counter that. Suuuuurrrreee.
What do you mean I can't counter?

I've asked you a few simple questions, about 5 times, and you can't come back with anything.
And I've answered and pointed out the rational irrelevance of your question.
Swimming records have been broken, yes.

Sprinting records have been broken, yes.

But how does that mean that boxing has improved overall?

It doesn't!
Yes, it does, per below.
Again, just because Usain Bolt can run faster than Carl Lewis, that does not mean that boxing has improved.
Yes it does, all quantifiable sports have improved dramatically, they have as little in common with each other as they do with boxing. It stands to reason boxing improves too, especially when the quantifiable aspects of the sport (i.e. size, have improved in the same way as seen in those other sports.

NAME ME THE BEST TEN FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME, FROM ANY WEIGHT CLASS OF YOUR CHOICE.

Let's see how many modern fighters make the list.
Read my post where I answered this, moron. Oh, maybe you can't read, that would explain your complete lack of rationale abilities and inability to process common sense statements of fact.
PROVE me wrong. :good


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Total moron, I've already dealt with this. My list would include historic importance and in era dominance. If it was just H2H, it would be largely dominated by modern boxers.
atsch

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Dude, you are simple. You have proven yourself completely immune to the simplest of logic
Go and find an adult, and then ask them to find a dictionary, and look up the word irony.
Nice try moron, but any intelligent person reading this will be amazed at your stupidity and wonder why I am wasting my time responding to such a mental miscreat (because I find it amusing)

 

LoudonRe: Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxi
andrewa1,

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I've probably watched more of both fighters than you have, the impossible superhuman athleticism (that is, the kind to defy the laws of progress) you attribute to Ali was lacking when I watched him. What you fail to understand is that one of the reasons Ali was so great was because he took advantage of his size better than almost anyone ever had to that point. When he first came out, 6'3 was huge. He used his height, reach, reflexes and workrate to outland his opponents and wear them down, the same thing LL and the K's do, except size has gotten much bigger and they also have the added element of power. Louis is a better matchup because he has more power, and since LL and the K's are just supercharged versions of Ali, who lacks the power to ko them, he would have absolutely no chance while Louis would have a punchers chance.
You CLEARLY have not watched both fighters!

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about, and every knowledgeable person on here is laughing at you.

Ali was so great, because he had unbelievable footwork, hand speed, timing and reflexes etc.

Louis is not a better match up.

He would have less chance of beating Wlad than Ali, because although he may have had an advantage in power, Ali was faster with more skills.
Not remotely
How are LL and the K's SUPERCHARGED versions of Ali?

So Ali would have had absolutely no chance of beating Wlad?



I think you'd be better off on a football forum or somewhere, because you are completely out of your depth on here. :good
No, my moronic friend, you have shown absolutely no ability to process even the most simple of rational comparisons or applications of logic. You keep asking me "how does" etc, when I've already answered it decisively in my post. Go back to English and Math class, learn to read and learn logic, then read my post again and if you have absolutely any brain whatsoever, you can come back and admit defeat at that point.

 

Wow bring back the quotes.

Most sports are simplistic. Boxing is not.

 

Ali is faster.

Haye fights like Ali opposition. Fast and moving a a lot. If Wlad was so fast,as you suggest, he would be able to hit him. Same applies to Byrd for Vitali.
He was severaly off balance when he tried to punch Haye when he moved. Nice balance/footwork argument fool.

Ali is superior to both Haye and Byrd because they stand still to avoid punches while Ali can go in and out of range to avoid punches.


You're lack of boxing knowledge is evident. Go to football thread as suggested.

 

SP_MaulerRe: Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxi
Wow bring back the quotes.

Most sports are simplistic. Boxing is not.
Athletes and trainers in "most sports" would vigorously disagree with you. And I agree, bring back the quotes.

 

"I've probably watched more of both fighters than you have, the impossible superhuman athleticism (that is, the kind to defy the laws of progress) you attribute to Ali was lacking when I watched him. What you fail to understand is that one of the reasons Ali was so great was because he took advantage of his size better than almost anyone ever had to that point. When he first came out, 6'3 was huge. He used his height, reach, reflexes and workrate to outland his opponents and wear them down, the same thing LL and the K's do, except size has gotten much bigger and they also have the added element of power. Louis is a better matchup because he has more power, and since LL and the K's are just supercharged versions of Ali, who lacks the power to ko them, he would have absolutely no chance while Louis would have a punchers chance."

Lennox ducked Byrd ; a fast moving man
Vitali lost to Byrd ; above
Wladimir hardly landed on Haye ; a fast moving man

How can they utilize their reach when that fast moving man has an identical/further reach? Their advantage is taken away.

Ali has more then what you mentioned. He is smarter(Didn't need a trainer to tell him exactly how to fight),faster and with identical reach,able to move better then the men I mentioned above which gave them fits.

Advantage is all Ali.

 

"Athletes and trainers in "most sports" would vigorously disagree with you. And I agree, bring back the quotes."

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SP_MaulerRe: Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxi

Ali is faster.
Ali is not as fast, but more importantly, does not have remotely the power.
Haye fights like Ali opposition. Fast and moving a a lot. If Wlad was so fast,as you suggest, he would be able to hit him. Same applies to Byrd for Vitali.
He was severaly off balance when he tried to punch Haye when he moved. Nice balance/footwork argument fool.
And yet WK decisively beat Haye, it would be a massacre what he would do to Ali.

Ali is superior to both Haye and Byrd because they stand still to avoid punches while Ali can go in and out of range to avoid punches.
Uh, just no.
You're lack of boxing knowledge is evident. Go to football thread as suggested.
No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

 

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By that logic, then gee, "boxing is just punching". Its all quite a bit more complex than you "world is round" nostagiasts like to think.

 

Ali is not as fast, but more importantly, does not have remotely the power.

Why is power a big thing? Who did Lamon Brewster,Corrie Sanders,Rahman ever KO except the people mentioned? No one. Do they have a knockout thats comparable to George Foreman?? NoAnd yet WK decisively beat Haye, it would be a massacre what he would do to Ali.

Again you can't grasp the argument which is being made. No suprise. FACT remains he was off balance when Haye moved. Ali would do the same but Ali counter punches.

Uh, just no.

That's not much of a counter should have typed "I have no comeback,you win"


No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

Wow the biggest message you type is one calling people stupid or defending what you dont know. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

 

"I've probably watched more of both fighters than you have, the impossible superhuman athleticism (that is, the kind to defy the laws of progress) you attribute to Ali was lacking when I watched him. What you fail to understand is that one of the reasons Ali was so great was because he took advantage of his size better than almost anyone ever had to that point. When he first came out, 6'3 was huge. He used his height, reach, reflexes and workrate to outland his opponents and wear them down, the same thing LL and the K's do, except size has gotten much bigger and they also have the added element of power. Louis is a better matchup because he has more power, and since LL and the K's are just supercharged versions of Ali, who lacks the power to ko them, he would have absolutely no chance while Louis would have a punchers chance."

Lennox ducked Byrd ; a fast moving man And a leftie too, but more significantly a MODERN HW
Vitali lost to Byrd ; above See above, also an injury loss in a fight he was clearly winning.
Wladimir hardly landed on Haye ; a fast moving man Uhm, except he beat Haye decisively

How can they utilize their reach when that fast moving man has an identical/further reach? Their advantage is taken away.

Ali has more then what you mentioned. He is smarter(Didn't need a trainer to tell him exactly how to fight),faster and with identical reach,able to move better then the men I mentioned above which gave them fits.

Advantage is all Ali. Sure, keep telling yourself that boxing is immune to the laws of progress as you try to sleep at night. And great use of sources and statistics and logical application to explain why Ali is better and smarter in all those ways. Look, it will go better if you just accept progress and value old ATG's as great for their in era accomplishments.

 

By that logic, then gee, "boxing is just punching". Its all quite a bit more complex than you "world is round" nostagiasts like to think

You are ******ed lol. It's very simple to see what I typed.

The logic would be movements in boxing is far far harder then any other sport.

 

Why is power a big thing? Who did Lamon Brewster,Corrie Sanders,Rahman ever KO except the people mentioned? No one. Do they have a knockout thats comparable to George Foreman?? No. HA! Power not a big thing. Nough said. Oh, and those HW's have a ko ratio against real HW's (215lbs and higher) vastly higher than Ali.

Again you can't grasp the argument which is being made. No suprise. FACT remains he was off balance when Haye moved. Ali would do the same but Ali counter punches.

Uh, just no.

That's not much of a counter should have typed "I have no comeback,you win"

No, its a reflection that you have no argument, offered only your off base opinion without any proof to back it up

No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

Wow the biggest message you type is one calling people stupid or defending what you dont know. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Again, I've offered logical proof that you are a deluded fanboy, you've only offered your personal opinion that boxing is majically immune to the laws of progress