Lucian Bute vs. Arthur Abraham,who wins?

I think AA has learned a few things since the Ikeke fight. However, if he approached Bute the same way he approached Ikeke, It would take Sauerland and Wegner at least a week to find all the pieces of Arthur's head.:hey

Gevor was a featherfisted green Kid. I have no idea why AA fans keep trying to hype this win.

I agree with your theory that AA only comes out of his shell when there is nothing dangerous coming back at him. Against Bute there would be some VERY dangerous shots coming his way. Arthur is tough, but Zuniga and Andrade are also very tough, and nobody ever handed either man his ass the way Bute did.

 

Bute would win the fight as long as he doesn't get KTFO. Which is VERY, VERY, VERY likely.

 

:amen :good

 

Bute did beat a lot of top ten fighters at the time like Tatevosyan, dethroned Berrio, Zuniga.He stopped Sabary Kalem forcing him to abandon a figter Calazghe beat in 12 being himself knocked down.

He also stopped two fighters who`ve never been KO`ed before,Zuniga and Andrade and both in 4TH ROUND ! IF Sabary wouldn`t have quit this list would have had him too.

If this is not enough to make him favorit against AA just consider the professionals opinion:

-The Ring positions him as the momentan No. 1 at SMW
-Box Rec does the same
-Box Rec includes him in the top 20 P4P , 2 places ahead of AA

 

This mediocre fighter has recently been spoted as momentan No. 1 at SMW by professionals of The Ring and Box Rec. And, by the way, that like Andrade HAVE NEVER BEEN KO`ED BEFORE.The first match final has been offered on a plate by a dominant but over confident Bute. We can`t consider that match anymore since Andrade had an year to demonstrate he was the man.

But of course you probablly said Bute would have lost the rematch with Andrade. Good luke with the next prediction !

 

Thank you for replying to my post, I can agree on some of your points but:
I don't know what the hype is about Zuniga.
Zuniga is a division hopper if there ever was one. Crude slugger who has fought at JMW, losing to Daniel Santos, Pavlik dismantling him and in my opinion, should have NEVER competed at 168. If you think that is a good win, so be it:think.
I can't believe you actually bring up Tatevosyan as a legitimate win, the guy had 6 losses prior to fighting Bute including a loss to a Koren Gevor.
Berrio is another fighter I compare stylewise to Zuniga, crude slugger, with 4 losses prior to fighting Bute, including a TKO loss to Robert Stieglietz in 3.
I am sorry he is NOT the no 1 SMW, top 3 ABSOLUTELY, but Andrade being your best opponent, including having a controversial win against him and being No 1? If anything Andre Ward should and Carl Froch should be ahead of him. Andre Ward beating the tournament favorite in devastating fashion and Carl Froch having a better resume.
I am a big AA fan and as a fan I DON'T THINK his ranking is justified being so high, I think he should not be 5th or 6th like the rankings have them, more like 8th or 9th. I am mentioning that to show I am not being biased in anyway, and I do LIKE Bute.

 

You mean it's very likely that he does get KTFOd, or that he doesn't ?

 

...that he does

 

I appreciate we have a civilised dialogue.
Before other further considerations I have to consider a lot of neutral fans think that Bute,AA and Ward are the best SMW at this time no matter order.
But in the same time I remind you that the most prestigious american boxing magazine together with Box Rec give Lucian as the momentan best SMW not only his fans.
Nevertheless you have the right to a personal opinion as anyone wich I respect.

Regarding the fashion Ward won against Kessler I mention to you that The Board of The Ring dethroned Ward in favour of Bute after Andrade match with a vote of 5-1 showing the manner the last won was more devastating than the first to remain to your words.

Regarding Kessler being a favorite, no one believes it anymore. All say his best win remained a 12 round Andrade which is outshined by far by Lucian`s performance. No to mentione some discussions about style of Ward. I don`t contest his clear win.

And about AA, what are his performances at 168

 

Taylor IS NOT AT ALL FASTER than Bute. Put you glasses please.Abraham has no more than 40% winning chances against Lucian.Both are undefeated but let`s see AA until the end of the tournament.

 

Put your glasses.Andrade got broken down by Bute.the last performats counts unless your a ameteur. AA is not faster than Andrade.

 

I think you're wrong on the approach a fighter needs to have against Abraham. As long as a fighter pressures Abraham, he stays in his shell. Bute would not stop being all over him so abraham would be behind his shell for all night, until the late rounds, when he would understand he needs a ko to win. He may then succeed but I see more Bute koing him at that time.

As for the reach, Abraham has long arms. Bute doesn't have a reach advantge on him. He's taller though. He's also a southpaw. Taylor is not faster than Bute and his quickness doesn't equal slickness. He's an athletic but "sloppy" fighter.

 

First consider he did beat 24 guys in SMW comparing to 1 of AA, that one being already beaten three times.You can`t consider only the big fights and omitt some fighters were one of the best in the version at the time of matches.
Wait and you`ll see the rest of them how manage with Bute.

 

For me, Ward, Bute and Abraham are the top three of the division. If you take under consideration the way Bute won the first time against Andrade, you have then to do the same about Froch's last 2 wins. Against Dirrell, he was not impressive and he was losing on points against Taylor before knocking him out. Since Abraham was winning on points before doing the same thing, I place Abraham in front of Froch. Since in my mind Froch has lost against Dirrell, I can't put him in the top three. Ward's win is more impressive than Abraham's, because Taylor lost many times in the past years, so Ward may be in front of Abraham. Bute was already number 2, before knocking Andrade out. People seems to have forgotten Andrade was supposed to be unknockable. I personnally put Bute 1rst because he has more top ten wins than Ward, who has a single strong win but it's debatable. Anyway, if Ward and Abraham win their next fight, they will be ahead Bute, unless he fights Pavlik or Hopkins.

 

Did you actually see Berrio's "loss" to Stieglitz? It was a highway robbery, and Berrio came back a year later to knock Stieglitz the **** out.

I agree that Tatevosyan is a nothing win. Zuniga was ranked top 10 by The Ring when Bute beat him and had just fought a pretty even fight with Inkin, who was a titlist at the time. It was probably an overrank, but whatever.