Luis Ortiz vs Independently Ranked Heavies

He's obviously Irish

 

His resume is thin but so is most of the top 10 to be honest. Hell one of the champions has a paper thin resume, only Povetkin and Joshua have respectable records with some depth and with them fighting each other that won't change any time soon.

Fact is Ortiz is a legit top 5 heavyweight. Yes in some ways he's an unknown quantity but who isn't apart from Joshua and Povetkin are tried and tested?

As for him passing the eye test I say that's debatable. I never jumped on the hype train for him after he beat Jennings, he basically beat a fighter with no power who went toe to toe with him. He has flaws, it's why I said Scott would make him look bad and why I picked Wilder to beat him.

He's good but not the monster some like to make him out to be and no he isn't avoided because everyone fears him, that's a myth. He's like so many other fighters without a fan base and who bring no money to the table, not worth the risk because they bring no reward. Joshua's supposedly the best in the division, but almost everyone wants a shot at him, why because he pays well. Just because you are good doesn't automatically mean you're avoided out of fear, there's other factors at play to why certain fighters don't get fights.

 

The HW division has been an embarrassment.

 

So all about records and resume and comparisons.

Let's do this.

Bryant Jennings:
lost by UD to Wlad (3-9 rounds)
lost by TKO7 to Ortiz

Tony Thompson:
lost by UD to Pulev
lost by TKO6 / KO11 to Wlad
lost by KO6 to Ortiz
lost by UD to Takam

Razvan Cojanu
lost by UD to Parker
lost by KO2 to Ortiz

David Allen
lost by UD to Whyte
lost by TKO10 to Yoka
lost by TKO7 to Ortiz

Malik Scott
lost by UD to Ortiz who won 12/12 rounds, knocked Scott down three times and Scott failed one 10count but the ref still gave him the chance to continue
lost by KO1 to #2 Wilder
lost by TKO6 to Chisora (even scorecards, bull**** stoppage and knock down in the first place)

Daniel Martz
lost by KO2 to Ortiz
lost by TKO2 to Jennings
lost by TKO1 to Parker

 

If you're a 'ducked' fighter, why are bums willing to fight you?

 

Eh, that's one organization. At the time of the Jennings fight I had Jennings as the #5 HW in the world, and most people had him around 4-6. Thompson was still a fringe top 15 HW and Scott was a fringe top 10 hw. While it seems to be changing, HW contenders don't fight each other much anymore. His resume is better than any other non belt holder right now, except for Povetkin, Fury, and probably Whyte. Pulev might be equivalent. But even though Whyte probably has the better resume and Pulev is close, on the eye test, I'd pick Ortiz. Hopefully we get to see Ortiz fight as least one of them one day so we can see, but I'm not optimistic.

 

Coming within seconds of stopping Wilder but ultimately losing is more impressive than winning a decision against Parker via headbutt knockdown while looking like you have multiple sclerosis in the 12th round.

 

At any circumstances the bell saved Wilder who is the number 2 guy with logical ranking!

That fight alone gives him credibility!

Ortiz resume? Well it's not good at all but he's limited for time at 48 so he's been picky and fights haven't lined up for him....

He decided not to fight Joshua and was challenged by Whyte in 2016 and recently didn't agree to a July fight with Whyte bc he said he wasn't ready...the Cojanu fight would prove that bc he's not even a top 50 guy!

No one is ducking this guy bc he's not a fight that's necessary for anyone on top of that he's not ranked outside the WBC so who's he actually supposed to fight who is not already scheduled to fight?

I like Ortiz i rate him highly but one cant go on resume here...Ortiz has dominated every fight even in the Wilder loss he's been in so far...

 

Good question let’s see the documented cases we had.

Tyson fury said ‘he is Cuban, southpaw and he is a who needs him man. Do I need him, No does anyone else need him no’

Dillian said no because he was only willing to face Ortiz if it was for the mandatory shot which makes sense but , fact of the matter is he didn’t take the fight.

AJ/Hearn had Ortiz removed from the WBA rankings after the failed test, even though the sancationing who he failed with cleared him. Of course that part is my opinion because it doesn’t make sense any other way with the WBA allowing a steroid cheat like Povetkin fight for the title.

There was talks of an Ortiz fight with Miller but that never materialised. I can’t say Miller is ducking him but I suspect Ortiz will take any top 10 opponent where as we just saw Miller turn down a final eliminator against Pulev.

Stiverne down a eliminator with him saying he had better fish to fry.

Those are the interactions I’ve seen about Ortiz and the other top contenders.

 

If you go to www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 you can see the resumes for the top 100 fighters. You can see their current record and their record just against top 50 fighters. The last 20 fights column show the quality of opposition beaten, the number representing the pre-fight ranking. a W represents a win against an opponent that was not ranked in the top 100. obviously L = Loss and D = Draw. The rankings are independent and based on results. They will give you a good indication of the opponent quality the boxer has faced. You can also see their best wins in the last 12, 18, 24, 30, 36 month period or indeed the best fighter in their career

 

Claiming that Luis Ortiz is for fact a #3 heavyweight in ridiculous. There is a reason why virtually no boxing publication has him rated that high. Surely, a top 5 position would be a much more reasonable argument, but beating Jennings in 2015, and since then beating non-top 20 opposition and losing to Wilder doesn't in a million years put somebody higher than Povetkin, who has been consistently beating solid opposition for the past 7 or so years, with the only defeat coming against none other than Wladimir Klitschko.

Other than that, Ortiz has a case of being rated over most other contenders despite his very poor CV.