Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by VeryMoistWalrus, Jun 10, 2021.
Can anyone with knowledge weigh in on how Joe did with southpaws?
I don't think he fought a significant fight against a southpaw. Then again, most natural southpaw's were converted into conventional fighters back in those days.
Makes it difficult to make a pick. Some guys do really well against southpaws and others are completely flummoxed. We don’t really have a way to know which Joe was, but given that he had so little experience with them I slightly favor Ortiz.
One thing that sticks out to me when I watch Ortiz is how painfully slow he is. I get that he has a size and power advantage but Joe is hands down the more talented fighter.
Like every discussion involving a 1940's heavyweight vs a modern day heavyweight, it always comes down to how much a forum member values the size advantage of the current era vs the skill of the fighters of the past.
Go watch Ortiz v. Kayode and tell me how slow he looks.
I hate to say it. But I have to favor Ortiz. While Walcott was leagues better in skills there are two hard facts that can’t be refuted:
1. Walcott isn’t cracking Ortiz’s chin
2. Walcott isn’t taking too many of Ortiz’s punches
Why? Walcott had very solid punch and he could catch you with something you couldn't see - these punches are the worst ones.
Marciano said Jersey Joe Walcott was the hardest puncher he ever fought.
Harder puncher than Joe Louis!
Ultimately Ortiz was a guy who had two important fights and got KOed in both.
He's a guy with more failed drug tests than wins of any note.
Stamina is Walcott's biggest weakness and I can't think of a guy much worse to try and exploit it than Ortiz.
Are you kidding? You want me to watch a fight of his where he got popped for using steroids and the fight was declared a no contest? You sure put me in my place with that one lol.Yeah I did watch that fight live on Showtime and was impressed all the way up until he tested positive the next day.
Ah yes, some quality opposition there.
I wonder how much credit Buddy Baer would get for blasting out a similar level of opponent.
Damn, your feelings must be hurt, bro. All I was really saying was watch Ortiz at age 30, not age 40, before calling him slow. He was quick..
Walcott takes him to school tires him out then knocks him out. Ortiz not in his league. Size cant compensate for everything here.
He served a single drug suspension.
On the other hand, Wlacott didn't beat a single notable fighter who was over the current cruiserweight limit.