Luis Ortiz vs Jersey Joe Walcott

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Walcott vs Ortiz

  1. Walcott KO/TKO

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  2. Walcott Decision

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  3. Ortiz KO/TKO

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  4. Ortiz Decision

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  5. Draw

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  6. See Results

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  1. VeryMoistWalrus

    VeryMoistWalrus New Member Full Member

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    Who Wins?
     
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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can anyone with knowledge weigh in on how Joe did with southpaws?
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think he fought a significant fight against a southpaw. Then again, most natural southpaw's were converted into conventional fighters back in those days.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Makes it difficult to make a pick. Some guys do really well against southpaws and others are completely flummoxed. We don’t really have a way to know which Joe was, but given that he had so little experience with them I slightly favor Ortiz.
     
  5. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One thing that sticks out to me when I watch Ortiz is how painfully slow he is. I get that he has a size and power advantage but Joe is hands down the more talented fighter.

    Like every discussion involving a 1940's heavyweight vs a modern day heavyweight, it always comes down to how much a forum member values the size advantage of the current era vs the skill of the fighters of the past.
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Go watch Ortiz v. Kayode and tell me how slow he looks.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I hate to say it. But I have to favor Ortiz. While Walcott was leagues better in skills there are two hard facts that can’t be refuted:

    1. Walcott isn’t cracking Ortiz’s chin

    2. Walcott isn’t taking too many of Ortiz’s punches
     
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  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    Why? Walcott had very solid punch and he could catch you with something you couldn't see - these punches are the worst ones.
     
  9. Stiches Yarn

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    Marciano said Jersey Joe Walcott was the hardest puncher he ever fought.
    Harder puncher than Joe Louis!
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    Ultimately Ortiz was a guy who had two important fights and got KOed in both.

    He's a guy with more failed drug tests than wins of any note.

    Stamina is Walcott's biggest weakness and I can't think of a guy much worse to try and exploit it than Ortiz.
     
  11. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are you kidding? You want me to watch a fight of his where he got popped for using steroids and the fight was declared a no contest? You sure put me in my place with that one lol.Yeah I did watch that fight live on Showtime and was impressed all the way up until he tested positive the next day.
     
  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    Ah yes, some quality opposition there.

    I wonder how much credit Buddy Baer would get for blasting out a similar level of opponent.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Damn, your feelings must be hurt, bro. All I was really saying was watch Ortiz at age 30, not age 40, before calling him slow. He was quick..
     
  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Walcott takes him to school tires him out then knocks him out. Ortiz not in his league. Size cant compensate for everything here.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    He served a single drug suspension.

    On the other hand, Wlacott didn't beat a single notable fighter who was over the current cruiserweight limit.