Making Marciano a lock for the top 5

A post like that only discredits anything you say.

 

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It isn't a knock really. I consider him a top 5 CW and a top 100 p4p fighter. Given how many men have boxed below 200 pounds that's incredible praise.

The HW division today is a jump up from where Rocky used to fight. I don't rank him alongside HW sized fighters for this very reason.

 

The CW limit is 200 pounds. Rocky fought within that limit his entire career.

You can choose to rank him alongside men weighing 230 pounds if you choose, but it's not something I would do.

 

Log off pal.
You’re simply making an arse of yourself.

 

He feels a bit like that "Black Hercules" poster who used to infest the boards a while ago. If you mentioned Marciano and he read it, he used to insta-shart his underwear and sob salty tears for a week. Some guys are just mentally unstable.

 

Oh, I imagine he can make the strawweight limit at this point in the game.

 

Did you drop/flunk out of middle school?

 

Depends what you call a heavyweight. If you are calling modern Superheavyweight sized guys heavyweight then those guys deserve to be ranked alone. They could not exist before.

Everything below that is a heavyweight because that’s what they were for hundreds of years.
A cruiserweight is a heavyweight.

 

I rank those above 200 separate to those below 200.

 

200 Seems an odd cut off because joe Louis was right on that for half of his best wins and just over for the other half. You can’t have a heavyweight top ten and not include Louis.

I think the cut off should be 230.

Everything Great that never scaled under 230 never really could exist before.

Cruiser never really was a real division. Just a stop gap until the heavyweights became cruisers after the modern development of the Superheavyweight.

 

Louis proved he could fight above 200 so he gets ranked with the HW fighters.

Guys like Rocky, Dempsey, Holyfield, Walcott, Langford, Patterson, they all had their best success weighing below 200.

Frazier is a debatable one imo.

 

What they weighed then had nothing to do with them not being successful heavyweights at the time they fought. If for hundreds of years 190 was big enough to beat everything else bigger why would they need to be called something smaller?

The new entity is not 190 pounders. It’s the 230 pounders becoming viable as great fighters in their own right due to advances that did not exist before. You put those modern Superheavyweights in another era and they could not be what they were because the advances had not happened back then.

 

230 is not a new entity. The change was the introduction of the 190 pound weight class, which was later upped to 200 pounds.

Usyk, Holyfield, Frazier, Dempsey, Marciano, Johnson, Langford, Walcott, Patterson.

Those are all great fighters who would be campaigning in the CW division today. Maybe at some point they'd move up as Holyfield did do, but in terms of H2H fighting machines they're best being matched against people their own size.

We know some of those guys managed to beat men who are ranked on my HW list. Holyfield beat Tyson, Frazier beat Ali, Marciano beat Louis. But those 3 victories all came against diminished version of the prime fighters. Were as we could match these guys prime for prime against any sub 200 pounder and they'd fair well in fantasy fights. Doing this means I can take size out of the equation.

 

Hang on, 190 was the “new introduction” even though 190 has been the standard big fighter for 100 years? Wasn’t Dempsey, Schmeling, Tunney, Marciano, Charles, Corbett all within the 190 bracket years and years ago?

“230 and great” was in the future. It did not exist. So 230 and great was new entity.

190 and great was old.

So Superheavyweight should have been the new division not Cruiser.