" Manny Pacquiao is overrated""

Samski313 · Mar 23, 2010

cloud_cyc said: ↑

has beaten the likes of barrera, morales, marquez, de la hoya, hatton, cotto.

that being said, Boxed Ears is right... you are indeed a ****head
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????? Not impressive to me cause he got his ass kicked by two of those guys and the other ones are after 2008!!!!! He is considered great now by many and who knows if its because of PED's!!!!!! Those same people wasnt saying he was great 11 years ago like they where talking about Shane and Floyd back then.

Boxed Ears · Mar 23, 2010

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Pacquiao is overrated by those who think he ranks higher than Duran, but nobody can be serious if they are trying to deny his ATG status. Boggles the mind. He's actually better than Terry Norris.
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Rooster just died a little inside.

Totomabs · Mar 23, 2010

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I have come to the conclusion that Manny Pacquiao is grossly overrated and over praised by people!!!! This guy is not an all time great fighter. When floyd Mayweather says you just dont come great over night i fully understand where he is coming from. Most Great boxers and all time greats were good from day 1 of their boxing careers. Manny pacquiao is a fly by night success. He has only recently become an elite fighter and most people believe that is because of Ped's. He has 3 losses and 2 draws in his career hardly great. Was he good from the beginning NO. Manny never fought in the Olympics as an amateur because he was not good enough like Sugar Shane or Mayweather. Those guys have been good fighters their whole lives. He has a lost just as recent as 5 years ago to Eric Morales. He has gone on a recent domination of some guys but he has not 1 big win in my eyes. His wins over Dlh and Hatton came after Mayweather beat those guys then he fights Cotto after Margarito damn near gave him brain damage with those cast fists of his. He is no where near on the level of the all time greats. He has been a pro since 1995 and only became great in 2008!!! Wtf??? What a joke??????? JMM could have became an all time great if he had the same shakes as Manny Pacquiao cause JMM owned his azz.
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you are one certified Floydette I give you that.:good

darryl1914 · Mar 23, 2010

Samski313 said: ↑

I have come to the conclusion that Manny Pacquiao is grossly overrated and over praised by people!!!! This guy is not an all time great fighter. When floyd Mayweather says you just dont come great over night i fully understand where he is coming from. Most Great boxers and all time greats were good from day 1 of their boxing careers. Manny pacquiao is a fly by night success. He has only recently become an elite fighter and most people believe that is because of Ped's. He has 3 losses and 2 draws in his career hardly great. Was he good from the beginning NO. Manny never fought in the Olympics as an amateur because he was not good enough like Sugar Shane or Mayweather. Those guys have been good fighters their whole lives. He has a lost just as recent as 5 years ago to Eric Morales. He has gone on a recent domination of some guys but he has not 1 big win in my eyes. His wins over Dlh and Hatton came after Mayweather beat those guys then he fights Cotto after Margarito damn near gave him brain damage with those cast fists of his. He is no where near on the level of the all time greats. He has been a pro since 1995 and only became great in 2008!!! Wtf??? What a joke??????? JMM could have became an all time great if he had the same shakes as Manny Pacquiao cause JMM owned his azz.
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Hallelujah Brotha' Amen!!!

igotJUIC3 · Mar 23, 2010

all im saying is our past ATG's fought in 8 weight classes one belt per weight class.......

today.....17 damn weights and i think three belts for each weightclass....

MOST fighters this era are OVERATED not all but MOST.

Boxing would be alot different if there were only 8 classes and ONE CHAMP...then you would see who really is the best.

(PimpThaSystem) · Mar 23, 2010

The thread starter is either a troll or a bonafide ******.

Samski313 · Mar 23, 2010

philthyphil said: ↑

Records hardly mean anything, yet I'll feed the troll. 3 losses and 2 draws in his career, "hardly great."

Muhammad Ali had 5 losses, by comparison, he probably wasn't as great as Pacquiao.
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Sugar Ray may have had over 170 victories, but he had 19 losses and 6 draws, hardly great. Duran lost fights in the double digits. Hardly great. Should I keep going on about records?

"Manny lost just as recent as 5 years ago." :rofl

So by your definition, anyone who's lost more than 3 fights total or drew more than 2 times AND has no losses within the last 5 years AND must have had a glorified amateur career is considered an ATG/ success and not a fly by night kind of fighter? :happy

Only became great in 2008? By what, your standards? Was 2008 when you began to watch him? He was a Hall-of-Famer based on his accomplishments at super-featherweight. As much as I believe that Pac actually lost his second fight with JMM, you sound like a bitter Marquez fan. That or you lack any credible sense of what an ATG is.

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Please stop with the Ali comparisons cause it just makes you look silly!!! Ali lost to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick. He should have been retired for the last 2 if not 3 loses. All those names right there **** on Pacquiao.

BigReg · Mar 23, 2010

Pacquiao is truly a special fighter. Sure, he suffered a couple bad losses early in his career. However, you to remember that he wasn't well schooled back then and was going off of raw talent. Imagine if this guy grew up in a family like Floyd Mayweather's? I remember the first time I saw him fight. It was against Ledwada. I saw that he had a couple of losses and the stupid highlights in his there. I thought he was just some chump that was in for an ass kicking. He proceeded to beat the **** out of Ledwada. He's been on a roll ever since. Sure, he's not perfect, and he's had some setbacks. However, there is no denying the talent, dedication, and sheer will and desire to win that this guy possesses. People can complain about who he hasn't fought, but look at who he has fought. The man has proven himself against some of the best.

(PimpThaSystem) · Mar 23, 2010

Samski313 said: ↑

Please stop with the Ali comparisons cause it just makes you look silly!!! Ali lost to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick. He should have been retired for the last 2 if not 3 loses. All those names right there **** on Pacquiao.
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Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick **** all over Pacquiao? atsch

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Samski313 · Mar 23, 2010

(PimpThaSystem) said: ↑

The thread starter is either a troll or a bonafide ******.
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Why because i dont want to conform to the masses about a guy who i feel is a recent boxing success and not an ATG??? Nobody was calling him and all time great 11 years ago or even 5 years ago when Morales was beating his azz. So i guess Morales shocked the world by beating an all time great in 2005???? Exactly my point.

Ringnut · Mar 23, 2010

Samski313 said: ↑

Why because i dont want to conform to the masses about a guy who i feel is a recent boxing success and not an ATG??? Nobody was calling him and all time great 11 years ago or even 5 years ago when Morales was beating his azz. So i guess Morales shocked the world by beating an all time great in 2005???? Exactly my point.
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Well Pac has been in the Ring's top 10 P4P list for more than 6 years now... not bad for a "recent success" I have to say...

blur · Mar 23, 2010

Why feed the troll? Why feed the troll? Why feed the troll? lol!

Knives7 · Mar 23, 2010

Why are you guys feeding this troll? This obviously an alternate account. I'm guessing this another one of ***llege's account.

Samski313 · Mar 23, 2010

Knives7 said: ↑

Why are you guys feeding this troll? This obviously an alternate account. I'm guessing this another one of ***llege's account.
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So i have to be a troll because i dont feel the same way you guys feel about Pacquiao???

Kal · Mar 23, 2010

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I thought you have high IQ?

I already stated it. I don't intend to give my comment on a worthless thread. I don't intend to lower my standards to debate on topic that should not even be debated upon. The thread starter is a troll, nothing more. If you start criticizing me, start with the thread. But you won't because obviously birds of the same feather flock together.

Do you know what the term
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But to oblige you : I will just paste one that I posted earlier from another thread :

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There are times when we like an athlete so much that we want things to happen that are almost impossible for him/her to achieve. And like a destiny, this happened to Manny Pacquiao. He won a historic seven world titles in seven weight divisions; four of which were lineal titles and all of them came from a knock out win against the world champion and claimant. Here are some interesting statistics why Manny is such a legendary fighter. And like the saying goes; "Some men lie, some women lie, but
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Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
7 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147)
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6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009
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Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009
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Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:

Career W-L-D Record:
Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911
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Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828

KO Percentage:
Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86%
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Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A

Peak Record:
Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2
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Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1

Number of HOF'er Defeated:
Harry Greb ------------------ 13
Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
Joe Louis -------------------- 8
Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
Lewis, Bivins
Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Benny Leonard -------------- 7
Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
Kilbane, Welsh
Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6
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Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
*Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
Roberto Duran -------------- 4
Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
*De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
Willie Pep ------------------- 3
Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
Nelson, Ramirez

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by Percentage:
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830
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Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1
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Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
First Held a World Title at age: 19
Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter

I really hope that that data would not overrun you mental capacity.

You might agree with it because I surely don't agree 100 per cent. But those are not even my reasearch as I can not bother justifying how great Pac is. Let history judge that. I enjoy his fights now, but I am sure he is not going to be treated like soem garbage when he retires. His legacy is already cast in solid steel.
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I would question the actual numbers here, i havn't checked it all but the one stand out mistake is having Pac 7th on the HoFs beat list. But no Jimmy McLarnin who beat 11 HoF's :huh Villa, Labarba, Ambers, Canzoneri, Ross, Kaplan, Petrolle, Leonard, Young Corbett III, Charles (bud) Taylor, Jackie Fields. Even Canzoneri has 9, well ahead of Pac. There is bound to be more mistakes.

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