Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair points. Certainly wasn’t a prime Larry. I think when talking about all the top guys it would close fights and that is one of em thag could go either way.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely agree.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I give Marciano a better chance against prime Holmes than Tyson but think Tyson wipes the floor with Marciano.
     
  4. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land booted Full Member

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    Agreed. Tyson whoops that ass and stops him in two rounds
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which 5'10" power punchers are you referring to , Tyson? How old was Holmes and what preparation did he have for that fight. Holmes was 39 years old and hadn't fought for 2 years.
    Want to speculate how a 39years old, out of the ring for 2 years Marciano would do against Larry? lol

    I care for anyone's opinion.If I didn't I wouldn't ask for it .If they make a statement and I dont happen to agree with it I ask them politely to justify it by giving their reasons.Ive always understood that's what a forum is for,but perhaps I have been labouring under a misapprehension?

    Meanwhile I'll take your points and gladly rebutt them .
    1.Marciano has more power ?Yes I'd say he has.
    2. A better chin ? No I'd say he hasn't, Holmes got up from a Shavers right hand that would ko nearly every heavyweight .If he could survive that he could survive Marciano's power.
    3.Marciano's stamina was matched against old men, and small old men at that.
    4.He never went 15rds with a prime modern sized heavyweight .
    5.Holmes has the jab to hit Marciano before he even gets in range.
    6.He has the reach to tag him while he is trying to get into that range.
    7.He has a lazer right hand to catch him when he comes up out of that crouch to land his shots.
    8.He has the uppercut to catch Marciano in his crouch.
    9.He has more handspeed than Marciano
    10.He has better footspeed than Marciano
    11.He has better all round skills than Marciano.
    You want to know what Larry said about Rocky?

    "He was a young man fighting old guys,Im an old guy fighting young ones". Direct quote.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who the **** do you think you are? Picking ANYBODY at all over Marciano is inexplicable behavior. You sir are a disgrace to humanity.
     
  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marciano only
    went 15 once with p4p ATG Charles who really wasn’t far from prime. He knocked everyone out that’s why lol.
    Please name me fights where Holmes uppercut was so significant? Serious question. Since you and others jam this point home I’ve been looking for it and don’t see it. I’ve watched Holmes Norton and Holyfield recently too and just don’t see him utilizing it much in those bouts (give me a fight to watch). FYI you can see Rocky utilize a solid uppercut in most his fights. He also crowds better then Holyfield and Norton.
    Holmes endurance is no where near Marcianos...not really debatable it’s extremely obvious.
    No one has been able to hold Marciano out of range and he faced some great boxers with much better reaches then he. Not saying it’s impossible but if shop worm Norton could close the gap w some success I don’t see why a prime Marciano would have much problem.
     
  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Gazelle, I always read (and often agree with) your posts, but you do remember the uppercut that ruined Weaver?

    No disrespect intended.
     
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  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If I don’t know something I openly admit it. I will watch the fight but in watching Norton and Holyfield he almost never uses it against two guys whom were pressuring him the whole fight.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Charles is a p4p atg but not a great heavyweight.Holmes ko'd Weaver with an uppercut FYI Holmes had a torn left bicep muscle in the Norton fight Marciano faced some great boxers who were past their best Charles had nearly a 100 fights on his clock met him mid ring and went the distance.

    Norton was shopwornwith44 fight but Charles with 96 wasnt far from prime ? GTF LOL

    Marciano never faced a prime modern heavyweight who had the speed ,reach and jab of Holmes.
     
  11. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He used it quite a bit against Shavers (especially in the second fight). Shavers I think was only 6'. He landed some nice uppercuts against Mercer as well.

    He tried to employ it extensively against Tyson, but his ring rust and older reflexes betrayed him. The uppercut, plus his expert holding, would have made that fight at least a little longer. But he was well into decline by then anyway, had been on it for four years (easy).
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ve seen all those fights except weaver. I’ve only recently rewatched Norton and Holyfield that’s why they come to mind. I will check it out thanks.
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

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    I would argue he always loses to Tyson or Frazier or Marciano. Just think they are all bad matchups for him. I hold Holmes up very high and non of this is to put him down . I would just favor those men.
     
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    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land booted Full Member

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    Due to styles right?
     
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  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes. I don’t think Holmes would be able to handle all threes ability to pressure, power, and bypass the jab (even one as great as his). It’s been explained time and time again. You can’t throw a proper jab downward without leaving yourself open. You can try it in your living room and see for yourself. Tyson Marciano and Frazier knew this and made themselves smaller and all came in at different angles well. They knew how to pressure flgood boxers.
     


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