Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    By nightmare I mean nightmare. As in like no way out, impending doom!

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  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tbh I can't see Marciano surviving 3 rounds against Tyson or Lennox Lewis if he went guns blazing....
     
  3. reznick

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    No doubt those would be hellish fights for Rocky.
     
  4. Nighttrain

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    Ok, I don't think we are disagreeing.
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    It's not just power but size, reach and speed, none of which he had. He won by overpowering guys. He'd never do that against any of the guys mentioned. It's fantasy.
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales booted Full Member

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    Are you arguing that Holyfield, Spinks, and Byrd still would have been top-tier heavyweights had they fought in the 180s?

    PS - Byrd was taller and naturally heavier than Loughran.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales booted Full Member

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    But your description of Rocky has almost nothing to do with explosiveness (other than your unconvincing use of the verb "explode"). Rocky didn't move or punch fast.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano was not fast at all, he was pretty slow of both hand and foot .Dempsey in contrast was fast into range, quick on his feet and had excellent hand speed .He looks like a cart horse to Dempsey's thoroughbred.During his title reign he was viewed as a poorer,cruder facsimile of Dempsey, I've the magazines of the period expressing that opinion.
     
  9. mcvey

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    It isn't debateable,and Holyfield also has a proven track record against super heavies.
     
  10. mcvey

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    You don't know this at all, this is just your unverified opinion as such its worthless.

    I've read contemporary reports on both where the writer calls them dangerous opponents for Marciano. The 50's Ring magazines did not hold Marciano in half the esteem he has acquired today. There wa sa school of thought that Marciano was ducking Valdes and articles were written on the subject!
     
  11. mcvey

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    You don't know this at all, this is just your unverified opinion as such its worthless.

    I've read contemporary reports on both where the writer calls them dangerous opponents for Marciano. The 50's Ring magazines did not hold Marciano in half the esteem he has acquired today. There was a school of thought that Marciano and Weill were ducking/avoiding Valdes and articles were written on the subject!
     
  12. mcvey

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    He obviously does not hit as hard as a heavyweight,he's a very good puncher at 160lbs as his opponents have attested.That's it.If he ever fights Kovalev or Stevenson you'll see how good his power is!
     
  13. mcvey

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    Marciano is fine with me, a terrific fighter and, by all accounts a great guy.What's not too popular with me is the fanboy BS that gets spewed out denying the laws of physics on his behalf. I didn't say Dempsey would beat them, I said he was not Marciano he was quicker of both hand and foot,had better defence ,was less susceptible to cuts and has a proven track record against big men.Now which part of that statement is false?
     
  14. mcvey

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    You're just a fan boy ,when you make statements like Marciano threw fast combinations its patently ludicrous, he was slow and crude and had poor balance that often saw him on the floor when he missed a punch , he was also a dirty f*cker.No amount of hero revisionism on your part will change that.Now here's something for you to ponder on before you call me silly again.The Don ****ell that fought Marciano against any of the names I picked in the thread,how many rounds does he go? Ditto 40years old Archie Moore!

    BTW Louis was not knocked out cold in fact he wasn't knocked out at all Goldstein did not complete the count, best not make statements that can so easily be disproven.He didn't knock Charles out twice their first fight was a points win for Marciano.He fouled the **** out of Lastarza and ****ell and insisted on tiny rings to gain an advantage because of his slow footwork.The average age of his best opponents is 35.25years! Do some home work next time.
     
  15. reznick

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    Well he already knocked Kovalev down in sparring. But yeah, we will see!
     
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