Marciano v Liston's Best Opponents?

What's the argument for Williams having a bad chin less alone worse than Valdez? Both were stopped against Liston early, but Machen knocked Valdez out. Something he couldn't even come close to doing against Williams.

 

Williams was a more dangerous fighter than Valdes. Bigger punch, faster hands, faster movement, bigger and stronger physically

 

Common opponents between Valdes and Williams (excluding Liston).

Omelio Agramonte, Wayne Bethea, **** Richardson, John Holman, Alonzo Johnson, Alex Miteff, Bob Satterfield, Eddie Machen

Valdes record: 4-5 with 2 knockouts

Williams record: 6–1-1 with 4 knockouts

 

Marciano progressed beyond the hard fights against Ted Lowrey. And That must be a universal belief.

Could Williams progress beyond wins over Daniels?

 

It's also a universal belief that Williams progressed after his fight with Satterfield. But you don't prescribe to that one do you?

Well yes he did progress beyond wins over Daniels. He was number 6. when he fought Daniels and he made it all the way to no. 2 after.

We don't know how much he would've progressed because a .357 magnum revolver ended those possibilities.

 

Archie more could beat Harold Johnson beyond dispute.

 

1. What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

2. Moore lost to Johnson in one fight and had to come off the canvas and from behind to win another.

 

Harold Johnson could beat Machen beyond dispute

 

I believe it was William F. Shakespeare who said "To be, or not to be...If you be what you is...you is what you are. Let loose the dogs of war...and never let a friend in need...be without weed." And what I think he meant when he said this is that he believes these are both punchers. And if you hook with a hooker...you'll...probably lose a game of snooker. I don't think anymore can be added to this thread so, mods, go ahead and close this one down for comments, please.

 

Hurry up then.

 

This thread better not be open when I get back.

 

Oh, this is just beyond the pale.

 

I didn't say that Williams had worse chin than Valdes. Neither had horrible one, but not great either. Valdes had worse defense than Williams though, which is a bigger weakness than chin to me.

 

Valdes was a rough, brawling handful. Big like Williams but more ponderous and rugged.

Williams was explosive but he waited around a lot. Fought in bursts. More of an athlete.

Both were game and easy to hit. Not quite world beaters but honest contenders