Marciano Vs. Cockell

but it is a terrible performance by Charles he is getting ut boxed and hit hard by Satterfield and he lands one good punch

 

Was Mendoza having an off day when he wrote "Rocky was having another filmed off night ( the other was vs Pastor ), and Marciano looked very sloppy vs Moore. Rocky hit Cockel with solid shots, including low blows." Do we substitute LaStarza for Pastor?
And HomicideHenry, when did Besmanoff ko Peralta or even fight him?
Anyway it is far too simplistic to reduce the multi-complex sport of boxing to wondering why it took a fighter a few rounds more or less to stop another.

 

Terrible? How so? He got caught early by one of the hardest hitters of all time and a very early starter....the very fact that charles weathered the storm, did not go down, and found enough focus to set up that perfectly timed left hook speaks for his greatness. Hardly "Terrible" like you claim.

 

:huh

That never happened.

 

you cant exactly say he dominated Satterfield he got attacked early then hit him with 1 big punch i wouldnt call it his best performance but it was impressive

 

Off the top of my head, Jim Corbett was iced by Fitz in 1897 and his fights with Jeffries were like 1901 or 1902..... YES! Corbett was at or near 36 / 37 yrs old and much smaller and older than Jeffries....... 100% guaranteed that Corbett was over-the-hill by 1900....... No doubt........

Again, without looking back at my old books, I think Jim Corbett was hatched in 1866 and kicked-off in 1933 or so..... Just shy of age 70....

Jimbo Jeffries was hatched in 1875 and checked-out in 1953 at about age 78.....

Jeffries just too powerful for Corbett by 1899 on onward.......

SR.BILLARDOthumbsup:rasta

 

Relatively new British poster here.

Don Cockell was one hard *******. As Marciano himself said, "I never hit a man so hard, so often." Marciano also fouled the **** out of him, needlessly, and was allowed to do so.

Don was a light-heavyweight really. I seem to remember he had some diabetes type problem which prompted his step up to heavy but, hey, my memory can be dodgy.

 

Sorry, I meant Willie Pastrano not Besmanoff

 

Well, that didn't quite happen either. That fight ended purely on a cut eye stoppage, not a knockout.

 

That's the reason I would put forth.
Cockell probably surprised Marciano with his toughness and gameness though.

 

I would be very surprised to see Cockell go the distance with Frazier.

Cockell-Marciano was painful for me to watch.

 

People around Rocky admitted he couldn't really get motivated for Don Cockell, who really wasn't any sort of threat to him.
I think Rocky's "imprecise punching" often allowed guys to get tortured for a few extras rounds rather than clean KO'd, and he was an extra bit sloppy with Cockell because his hunger wasn't at 100%.

I have seen Randy Turpin v Don Cockell and I prefered the way Turpin disptached Don, and that was at Don's natural weight before the glandular fever messed up his metabolism. I cant say Cockell improved at all as a heavyweight, and his rise up the ratings at heavyweight just shows how weak the division was or how skewed the ratings were !

 

I would also like to say Don Cockell showed the heart of a warrior in that fight, and his heart and courage and determination must have been a factor in how he survived so long with Rocky too, to be fair.

The referee was a bit late in stopping it, I think. Cockell clearly didn't know where he was when he got up for the last time, and the referee let him take a few after that.

 

Cockell was definitely durable. I don't think you can take away from the Rock just because he couldn't KO him in two rounds.

It was mentioned eariler: Rocky sacrificed accuracy for power. La Starza had post-fight injuries on his arms (chipped bones I heard) from hard shots from Marciano.

If Rocky didn't connect in the KO zone, he continued to brutally break boxers down until they were so tired or dazed that he could finish them.

Someone should properly analyse fighters post-Marciano. Consider that this could be one big reason he is often considered over-rated - because of the fighters' performances after fighting him. If he ruined them and they subsequently were KOed early it was because they were no good, not because Marciano had wrecked them.

Exactly as he said: "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

Walcott KO 13 = It took too long
Walcott KO 1 = Walcott was past it (after fighting the Rock?)
Cockell KO 9 = It took too long

Without any disrespect, I think you can see from the Vingo fight what Rocky's punching power could do. I believe Vingo was still young, so he wasn't damaged pre-fight.