Marciano vs. Norton

I agree with this.

 

It makes me laugh when people predict a Rocky K.O of Kid Dynamite as well. HOW??????

 

I like ex-champs like Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano, but them two have been greatly overrated and fabled to the point of folklore....... Many old-timers claim that Dempsey and Marciano could've and would've KO'd "King Kong & Godzilla." C'mon, let's not lose touch with reality here...... Cheers......

MR.BILL

 

I'll say "YES" that Foreman and Shavers had harder right hands than Marciano did, and Cooney's left-hook was harder than Marciano's hook shot, too........ Marciano KO'd lotsa' guys 185 to 195 pounds during his day...... Marciano also fought a lot of guys 6' and BELOW..... "Vingo & Louis" were the exception..... Again, Foreman, Shavers and Cooney were HARDER punchers kayoing bigger dudes than what Marciano was used to hammering on.......... Okay... Let the arrows fly..........

MR.BILL

 

The arrows are not warranted....I agree with this:good

 

Fellas, I am not biased or anything here.... I could really care LESS about the decade or time...... But I own a shitload or two of **** on tape, etc..... I have been reviewing this stuff for 25 years...... I do have a clue as to what all these fighters used to be able to do.......
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MR.BILL

 

I'm actually a nutritionist and I assist boxers making weight, from dieting to dehydrating. I can also usually guess a bodyfat percentage very accurately and Rocky by the looks of him looks around 12%. He simply isn't that lean, if he was 6% he would literally looked ripped to shreds regardless of skin pigment. Just for the record you'd die if your bodyfat level got down to 3%

Not that an ultra low bodyfat is always good for boxers as some degree of bodyfat protects the body from blows, ie the liver.

Simply put I've helped bigger men than Rocky make 175lbs, so yes Rocky could with a superior diet, meal planning, cutting supplements and possibly some dehydrating.

 

1. No but I am an expert on nutrition and helping fighters make weight

2. I'll reiterate Marciano has 12% bodyfat at best I know what I'm talking about with this. At 8% he'd have washboard abbs, which he doesn't, if he had a 5-6% level his muscles would be stirated.

3. You can have good muscle definition at 15% it doesn't mean you

4. Men of 15% BF have flat stomachs, Rocky had a small layer of fat over his stomach, hence he didn't have ripped abbs. If you can find a picture showing ripped abbs I'll take that back but you won't because he didnt

5. He may have come down from 200lbs but he would have been very overweight at 200lbs if that was the case. Now he may have had more endurance at 180lbs than someone ripped at 200lbs but it doesnt make him big at 180lbs

6. No he could handle 190lbs well enough

7/9. Actually he looks like he could drop 5-10lbs of bodyfat with the right nutritional advice, however he could also just drop water weight and put the water back in after the weigh in. Doing lots of endurance work doesn't equate to low bodyfat. YEs Rocky could carry 205-210lbs with modern training, he could also make 175lbs with a modern nutritionist/supplements/saunas/sweatsuits/ dehydrating, day before weigh ins etc.

I know many LHWs that enter the ring well over 190lbs with low bodyfat which is the same as Rocky's weight

8. Bone structure is irrelevant a 190lb man can make 175lbs

 

To be honest with you I dont think that Marcianos oponents were really smaller or less durable than the guys Liston beat or contenders of the 70s like Quarry and Ellis who made up the backbone of Joe Fraziers resume.

I also know that Marciano was knocking them dead on film, in a way that compares favourably to the champions of subsequent eras.

I dont think it is out of the question that Marciano's power was close or even comparable to Foremans.

I also think that it was significantly better than Fraziers.

I think that any fighter who has issues with punchers is going to have issues with Marciano.

 

Shavers never KO'd class and lost to such as Bob Stalling who was 5"9 and not a big puncher, STallings had a decent chin...Shavers could also not stop Vincente Rondon who was lightheavy who was started in 2 rds by Bob Foster....I think it is Shavers who has hit the fable level and not the outstanding old timers like Marciano and Louis. Some of these guys who had one good quality in the 70's are made legends out of were nothing speacial....Norton would be brutally Ko'd by Marciano as soon as he went in to mix...he could not trade with Marciano and he could not run for long...Rocky by KO in 5

 

Ridiculous. Ken Norton NEVER FLOORED a Ring Magazine top 10 rated contender in his life outside of overhyped Duane Bobick. Thats how overrated his power was. On film, Walcott demonstrates much better power with one punch than norton does. Walcott could knock you out with one punch, Ken norton could not. Walcotts left hook was more powerful, and when his right hand landed on opponents they typically went down and down fast...ken norton needed many punches to get journeyman down. Norton did not come close to flooring Ali or Holmes in multiple rounds, while Walcott floored both Louis and Rocky.

 

I would also like to say I dont see how one could make a case norton hit harder than archie Moore. Moore knocked out far more Ring Magazine top 10, is the all time knockout king, is rated # 4 on Ring Magazine all time punchers list which Norton does not make, and Archie displays lethal one punch power on film with his straight right hand that norton has never shown. Before anyone questions size of opponents.... Archies record against men over 200lb stood at 22-1 with 19 kayos

 

i've just posted the stats to your opinion of walcott's best ko wins - those heavies weighed 180 pounds. my god the best in norton's era were over 2 stone heavier. norton could ko 180 pounders a lot easier than 215 pound fighters (35 pound in difference!). BTW Bob Stallings weighed 210 pounds v shavers and won on points (6-4). No doubt shavers lost the last rounds of the fight when he was all burnt out

 

Great post. Unless this is a guy with a huge head, there's not much more going on this body.
http://www.chpvoc81.com/RockyMarciano3BW_tif.jpg

The guy was a natural light heavyweight.