Marquez, face to face with PAC asking for a rematch!

kartog · Apr 12, 2008

Marquez wants the rematch as soon as possible because aside from the age factor when Marquez takes on another opponent aside from Pac there's a risk he'll fall off the radar with an ordinary effort against someone who won't come forward as much.

There's also the question of money. $1.5M had been his highest payday and he won't get anything near that fighting the other top guys at superfeatherweight. He got less than a mil fighting Barrera, and Guzman, Valero, Soto and Barrios combined don't seem to approximate Barrera's fanbase at all!

Bystander · Apr 12, 2008

kartog said:

Marquez wants the rematch as soon as possible because aside from the age factor when Marquez takes on another opponent aside from Pac there's a risk he'll fall off the radar with an ordinary effort against someone who won't come forward as much.

There's also the question of money. $1.5M had been his highest payday and he won't get anything near that fighting the other top guys at superfeatherweight. He got less than a mil fighting Barrera, and Guzman, Valero, Soto and Barrios combined don't seem to approximate Barrera's fanbase at all!
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i agree.:good

Seems to me that JMM's career is built only around pacquiao. I used to like the guy, but after watching that chance interview he had with pacquiao, i turned sour because i saw him as a pathetic, bitter and ageing fighter aching and hoping to land a big payday against pacquiao, once again..tsk.:-(

Silvermags · Apr 12, 2008

kartog said:

Marquez wants the rematch as soon as possible because aside from the age factor when Marquez takes on another opponent aside from Pac there's a risk he'll fall off the radar with an ordinary effort against someone who won't come forward as much.

There's also the question of money. $1.5M had been his highest payday and he won't get anything near that fighting the other top guys at superfeatherweight. He got less than a mil fighting Barrera, and Guzman, Valero, Soto and Barrios combined don't seem to approximate Barrera's fanbase at all!
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To bad for JMM he is not in a position to CALL the shots or dictate the fights!!!:|

He can wait, Plead, beg, request, cry, hope...and sit DOWN and WAIT in the LINE!

puga_ni_nana · Apr 12, 2008

kartog said:

Marquez wants the rematch as soon as possible because aside from the age factor when Marquez takes on another opponent aside from Pac there's a risk he'll fall off the radar with an ordinary effort against someone who won't come forward as much.

There's also the question of money. $1.5M had been his highest payday and he won't get anything near that fighting the other top guys at superfeatherweight. He got less than a mil fighting Barrera, and Guzman, Valero, Soto and Barrios combined don't seem to approximate Barrera's fanbase at all!
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marquez: "Let's do it again for the people." (and also for my bank account)

Ricardo Tirador · Apr 13, 2008

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charlievint · Apr 15, 2008

divac said:

The only thing I see is Pac fans making excuses as why this matchup should'nt happen anytime soon!

Pac fans are joining Pac himself, they're all running Scared! :deal :yep
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Naw....PAc fans aren't scared just like Pac isn't scared. They just aren't stupid to think that JMM who prevented the rematch from happening 4 yrs ago deserves anther shot when he's already lost twice.

Basically JMM prolonged a 2nd loss to a guy who he got lucky against by being given a draw. I guess JMM will have to wait for anther career high payday which is all he is looking for IMO. I don't think he really thinks he'll beat PAC unless he KO's him.

charlievint · Apr 15, 2008

divac said:

"Anytime, anywhere" :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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"Stop crying":rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

charlievint · Apr 15, 2008

divac said:

Pac fans dont like when the truth is posted!

Pacquiao<Scared!

....but I see your point. I could'nt last much longer in a thread like this.
When it comes to posting nonsense, I'm no match for a Pac fan!:yep
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It really doesn't matter what kind of fan you are....everyone is in favor of the truth....unfortunately for you accepting the truth is too much. Two losses for JMM is a hard jagged pill to swallow. :| At least JMM has a reason to cry...he was beaten up. What's your excuse?

charlievint · Apr 15, 2008

divac said:

Guys like yourself keep saying that JMM made Pac wait 4 years.

I think even you Pac fans know thats nonsense.

This JMM declined a rematch debate has been debated to nauseum.
Marquez was unwilling to get paid about the same as he did to fight Pac in their first fight and let Arum reap the fruits of the effort and great fight that he and Pac put up.

After JMM declined to fight for the same amount of money and let Arum line his pockets by himself, Pac got so busy fighting a trilogy with Erik Morales, and in between made no effort to want to fight JMM.
In fact, what Freddie Roach said way back then was absolutely correct.
....Roach said that in his opinion, JMM was a better fighter than either Morales or MAB, and that Marquez turn would come when Pac was finished with them.

Even after JMM and MAB fought an eliminator for the right to fight Pac.
Pac still chose to fight the loser of that fight, when JMM clearly was calling his name and challenging him way back then.

So although, JMM initially declined to fight Manny Pacquiao because he did'nt feel Arum was being fair and was hiding the possible ammount that rematch would generate.....it was Pac on Freddie Roach's advice who made Pac wait till the 15th of last month to finally get the fight made.

It looks like now, that the Pac team will play the same game once again!

Read it, and let it all soak in, because thats the God honest truth!
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl GOD DAMN!!!! THat is a hell of an excuse bro! JMM had 4 yrs to perfect this bogus excuse. It's funny that JMM came out the wood works all the sudden when PAC was gaining popularity and became a star in boxing. Can anyone say "PAYDAY"???

charlievint · Apr 15, 2008

divac said:

Only one problem my friend.....
....clearly in my view JMM won 9 rounds in each fight.

Three knockdowns in the first round of their first fight put JMM in a whole, and although I thought he won, I'm cognizant of the fact that judges rarely string together so many rounds in a row to give a fighter.
JMM indeed dug himself a monumental whole, and so I can accept that the fight was ruled a draw.
I did'nt agree with it, but I can accept it.

No such thing however in their rematch.
In my view it was competitive, but not close.
Nothing will ever change my mind on that.

When a fighter clearly takes 8 or 9 rounds of a fight even while suffering a knockdown, thats a win, no if's and's or but's!

We're going to have to agree to disagree, and thats that.
I'll continue to voice my disagreements with those decisions in threads that call for it.
If you cant accept that, there's nothing more I can tell you.
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The one problem as you stated is that you gave JMM rounds. Giving rounds to a fighter that doesn't deserve it will most definitely screw up your score card.:good Score a fight based on what happens in the ring not what you want or wish would happen.

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