Marquez, face to face with PAC asking for a rematch!

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  1. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody is asking wether you are a mexican or not, puerto rican or not!
    just kidding buddy!

    Basically, JMM (skills) vs PAC (power)

    1st fight (lucky DRAW) for the judge. The judge made a mistake and JMM should treat that judge free lunch:hey

    2nd figth (very close fight) It could have gone either way..Officially speaking. PAC won and JMM lost.

    That already a reality and in record books! :yep
     
  2. Bystander

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
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    have to agree with that.:yep
     
  4. pejevan

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    Obviously, you have not seen EM-Pac 1. Some account said that Pac even had blood in his urine after the fight.

    The second fight, there was a clamor after the first fight because of several reasons which I do ot need to elaborate. The second fight just confirmed what the first fight was all about. however, Pac improved this time that the punches were one sided. Now, that improvement was not enough to dominate JMM, likewise JMMs skillset was not enough to dominate Pac. The third fight would probably be the same with neither man dominating the other.


    I have nothing against a third fight. If it happens, then it is good. If it does not happen, there are some other big fishes to fry and many legacies to make.Beating JMM is probably less meaningful than manny winning 4 divisions as there has been no asian to have won that. As well as no flyweight in the history to have racked up wins up to 135.

    Even if the third fight happens, the results would still be as controversial as the first 2. Then we would have JMM-Pac 4, 5, 6 until a dominant winner exist.

    To clarify things, I am for JMM-Pac 3 fight. However, if it does not happen (I am sure it will simply by the fact that they are already hyping this fight by sending JMM to the RP to beg for a rematch), then I would not see it unfinished business.
     
  5. Thinman

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    1- I watched EM-Pac first fight. Posters around here say that he lost because of his shoes or socks or whatever it was. This is the first time that I hear that he urinated blod.

    2- You are not really addressing my point. What big fish to fry are you talking about? Big fish with no risk? Is that what you mean?
     
  6. pejevan

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    let me put it this way. Even if you ask them to fight 10 times, the outcome would not be different. They are both evenly matched that MP's power and speed would be negated by JMM's counterpunching. A lucky punch would probably KO JMM, but I know that the present skillset of JMM coupled with his advancing age would not be enough to dominate Pac, likewise Pac's arsenal would not be enough to dominate jmm.

    What bigger fish to fry. For one, there has never been an Asian 4 weight division champion because most asians fightat the lower weight classes and probably never will. For starters, getting the weakest link at the 135 is the most logical step. It is just my personal opinion that getting that 4th title while he is still capable is more important than trying to establish supremacy over JMM (which might never happen even if they fought 20 times).

    But rest assured, they are just "cooking" the rematch. With PPV hits of >500,000, there is no shrewder businessman than Arum who is just salivating about this.
     
  7. DobyZhee

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    bottom line: JMM deserves a rematch just because of the closeness of both fights. It doesn't solve anything. In the official books if JMM were to win in the 3rd fight...the score would be 1 win 1 loss and 1 draw.

    Whether or not it happens immediately is a matter of whether fight fans are willing to watch a fight that officially has Pac being the winner of the 2nd fight plus a draw in the first. The 2nd fight all it really did was settle who won the draw. If JMM would have won the 2nd fight, Nobody would really ask for a rematch and that's even Pac.

    Its a matter of watching someone getting knocked down or watching somebody win on points.

    I think the public would want to see a trilogy but not an immediate one. People at this point want to see Pac lose in convincing fashion and other boxers are out there that can do that AND they want to see him fight different fighters at this point.

    JMM knows he's on borrowed time due to age which is also why he wants an immediate rematch.

    Being the nuthugger that I am, I failed to see it from JMM's point of view but after mulling it over..he is a good guy and deserves better which means a rematch.

    To me, I'd rather see Pac take on a high risk fight where he gets knocked out, not outboxed.

    Valero, Soto, Juan Diaz and Ricky Hatton, DLH and FLoyd are those options.
     
  8. Morrissey

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    That was quite a dead-serious, almost bitter JMM out there, but I like that one. Good English. The upfront challenge. Especially when he said, "get the paper for Pacquaio to sign" or something like that. Must be critically desperate eh..:lol:

    Anyway, Pac did not duck the challenge. I think he was defintely caught by surprise, but he was still classy and a gentleman to answer that one.

    JMM must be feeling sorry and disappointed about his loss.

    Well, that is what having a magnet chin for Pac's right and left hooks can do to you. You become a sucker for those Pac's left hooks..:yep
     
  9. SOUTHERMOST

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    Good video showing Marquez speaking English in the Philippines and personally challenging PAC the pressure in on.
     
  10. DobyZhee

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    There's no pressure..Pac is the one in control. Marquez needs to start begging islam prayer style if he wants any of Pac's attention.
     
  11. Silvermags

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    Yup! the pressure is on JMM coz he is getting old:rofl

    In the meantime, JMM is so DESPERATE i would not be surprised he will be willing to fight pac at half the money he got in their rematch.

    At this stage I think what he needs is not a good trainer but a good PSYCHIATRIST to make him realize he lost and life must go on with or without pac :rofl
     
  12. DobyZhee

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    what do you think of Penalosa..he's getting up there in age also but he still has it?
     
  13. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has a year or MAX two years of QUALITY fighting. Win or lose he should retire especially if his last fight will be a W. It's nicer to retire with a W in the end instead of L.

    He can probably streeeetch it to max of three years but it would not be nice if he losses on the supposedly extended year!
     
  14. Bystander

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    actually, IMO, the pressure is on JMM and not on pacquiao at all.:good

    But boy, JMM did really sound desperate...:-(
     
  15. Totomabs

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    yeah same here. :-(