Marvin Hagler vs Floyd Patterson & Michael Spinks

hagler said he didn't want to fight spinks i remember him sayin that,hes really a heavyweight that can make the light heavyweight limit he said.

both patterson and spinks would beat hagler a natural middleweight

 

And then there were 3

 

Fair play, but Foster is where I'd draw the line. Bob would knock Hagler out, no sweat. You're looking at a natural Hearns at LH.

 

:rofl

 

Hagler blatanly avoided Spinks, so that's a clear sign, IMO. Spinks would probably have stopped him late. And Patterson? forget about it. No middleweight is standing up to a 190lb man with the conbination of power and speed that Floyd has, I don't care how good Haglr's chin is. Floyd ko's Marv in about 5 rounds.

Michael Spinks TKO 12 Marvin Hagler:good

Floyd Patterson KO 5 Marvin Hagler:good

 

The outcomes you estimate are completely viable results.

Please keep in mind however, that SRL also blatantly avoided Hagler for years as well. Yet he stood up to Marv extremely well for 12 rounds, coming off a virtual five year layoff. This was at a time when Hagler seemed an awesome P4P best in the world, coming off the Mugabe kayo win. So I don't put too much stock in the assumption that Hagler avoided Mike because he didn't think he could win.

 

Hagler was 6 ibs below his normal weight against leonard..infact probably more like 15 lbs below his normal fighting weight at least(had to be 160 on evening of fight)

 

"...knock Hagler out, no sweat" -see, that's where I'd draw the line.

This kind of casual assertion is exactly what bothers me. Now, I'm not denying that Hagler could be knocked out by large men with vicious hand speed and power, but Hearns did not come close to knocking out Hagler and he landed flush several times. Hagler could take the best shots of prime Hearns. So your analogy reveals nothing.

Did you know that Hagler was ruining HWs when sparring in Provincetown?

Let's say that Toney never left the MW division. Would you have believed that he could take Sam Peter's shots? Peter makes Foster look like a breadstick.

There's some perspective for everyone... So as per Hagler... who's to say?

 

Hagler only took Tommys best for 3/4 of a round and was shaken in that time. Foster and Peter are very different punchers so the comparison is irrelevant, also Toney weighed 230 against Peter, Marv wouldnt be much over 165-170.
I think the big thing is Floyd and Spinks would land hard and often on Marv, could he stand up to a sustained barrage...maybe, could he win the fight I very much doubt it.

 

Everything I say is based on observation-and logic.

Patterson was the lightest heavy since Gene Tunney and the most protected. He was nothing more than a kill or be killed type-either the opponent or himself would be lying unconscious.

Haven't you seen his bouts? He was a small boned heavyweight who got massacred by the first good black man he met-twice in the first round.

Patterson was one of the luckiest men to ever fight for the heavyweight title. Look at who he had to get by to win it-Archie Moore, a light heavyweight beaten to a pulp in his previous title try for the title.

The lack of credible competition also helped him hold onto it longer than expected and if that wasn't enough, was carefully matched with unqualified opponents Pete Rademacher fighting for Patterson's title in his pro debut. :rofl :roll:

I also say you're wrong about Hagler. When did Hagler ever express an interest in meeting with any title holder at 175 whether weak or strong? Bobby Czyz? Dennis Andries? Leslie Stewart? Marvin Johnson? Don lalonde?

Had he expressed interest after Spinks left the division in 85 and then moved up I'd go along with you but with his last two fights at 160 I'd say you have no case.

 

After the Liston fights I got a better idea of what he could do with some real competition. Before Liston, I didn't because I didn't know who those guys were.

 

The point remains: Hearns did not come close to knocking out Hagler.

Foster is more similar to Hearns in terms of punching than Peter, but the argument against Hagler revolves around the size differential.

Toney was 230 pounds of lard covering a 160 pound frame. He was obese. And the point remains anyway. NO ONE would have made the argument in 1991 that Toney could take the shots of a heavyweight, much less a monster like Peter.

 

The Duran and Toney phenomena hurt the arguments against Hagler. When Duran was in the midst of beating on Monroe Brooks, Gil Clancy had this to say:

"Duran can handle WWs, but he is too short and box-shaped to compete in any higher divisions."

Duran went on to blow this up. He destroyed Moore at 152, gave Hagler more of competitive fight than anyone since Vito Antuofermo, and beat Iran Barkley 11 years after the Brooks win. (Gil Clancy was commentating on that one too: "I just cannot believe this man!")

 

I agree with the theme of your post. Foster is just a different case. Dick Tiger was rock at MW, Foster made him look like putty.

I think any MW has seriously got his work cut out for him against the gangly Foster with his whipping shots. Sam Peter is a big dude, but is nowhere near the puncher Foster was. Bob threw slicing haymakers.

Can't see that left hook bounce off Hagler skull.