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Marvin Hagler : Without the other 3 he is Regular. FACTS INSIDE!!!

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So basically you're saying that if Hagler's best opponents hadn't existed, Hagler wouldn't be considered a great fighter.

How much cocaine did you have to sniff in order to vomit this garbage?

If my grandpa had 3 bаlls, he'd be a pinball machine.
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RC31, Jan 9, 2016

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Bump to keep this on the 1st page :yep :rofl

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Beatle said: ↑

So basically you're saying that if Hagler's best opponents hadn't existed, Hagler wouldn't be considered a great fighter.

How much cocaine did you have to sniff in order to vomit this garbage?

If my grandpa had 3 bаlls, he'd be a pinball machine.
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RC31, Jan 20, 2016

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Willie Maeket said: ↑

I know this is blasphemy but let's be serious. This is the only Black fighter you guys can link to Golovkin and I know why and it's not the lack of people to fight but the NAME linked to the fights.

Hagler was fighting guys that were 49-15-0 when he was WBC/WBA champion in his 53 fight and had the nerve to get a UD with the guy too.
Before Duran ate his way up to Middleweight, Haglers best win was re-matching Willie Monroe's daddy, similar to GGG beating Geale.

Hagler also rematched a bunch of guys he knocked out before and the only parts of his career that people remember are the last 4 years starting with Duran, 2 guys no one remembers, Hearns, Mugabi, and Leonard who came out of retirement and embarrassed an active fighter.

Hagler fought from 1973-1987 with only 3 names that matter to everyone.

Duran fought from 1968-2001 with names like Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez, Cuevas, Hagler , Thomas, Barkley, Camacho, Pazienza, and Joppy.

Leonard fought from 1977-1997 (with 2 retirements in between, so don't **** on Floyd) with names like Al Haymons brother Bobby Haymon:hey, Floyd's daddy Sr.:hey, Benitez, Hagler, Duran 3x, Hearns 2x, Hagler, Norris, Camacho (if he had of beat Macho he was going to fight Oscar De La Hoya).

Hearns fought from 1977-2006 (with a retirement in between) Cuevas, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Benitez, Barkley, Hill.

Erase Hagler from the rest resume and they are still great.
Erase them from Haglers and he is GGG.
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GGG is too good. Lower weight fighters aren't moving up from lightweight or welter to meet him as they did for Hagler in the case of Duran, Leonard, and Hearns.

Do you think Mayweather would ever fight GGG? How about Cotto?
NOT A CHANCE.

Hagler a top 5 ATG at middle declined to move up to light heavyweight by the way.

Mendoza, Jan 20, 2016

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Mendoza said: ↑

GGG is too good. Lower weight fighters aren't moving up from lightweight or welter to meet him as they did for Hagler in the case of Duran, Leonard, and Hearns.
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Duran, Leonard and Hearns all son the Triple Duck @ 160...

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I'm pretty sure Hagler was regular anyway. Didn't need special cereals or nothin'. Jus sayin'

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CST80 said: ↑

This goes for a ton of old revered fighters on here. If any of those guys were fighting in today's internet age, they'd all be being picked apart on a minute to minute basis on here. For the record, I'm a huge fan of Hagler's. But you're spot on especially with the GGG comparison.
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Hagler's main legacy is beating Duran ( a blown up lightweight ) and Hearns ( a blow-up welterweight. While each guy was an ATG in a lower weight class, neither were at middleweight, which was Hagler's natural weight class.

Hagler lost to Leonard ( who was best at Welter ) Outside of that his competition was rather ordinary, just like GGG's.

The difference is GGG is blowing away his competition, and guys are avoiding him. It's not like Mayweather, Kahn, or Canelo wants anything to do with GGG!

If he fought them all he's go 3-0, and win more impressively than Hagler did vs Duran.

# the Truth.

Mendoza, Mar 31, 2016

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Hagler without the others would still be a legend I grew up watching him beat up my British heroes the press always said that they would win (yeah right!)very upsetting watching some nasty bald headed American battering your plucky British types.hagler feared no one and made sure people knew it .at the time he was a household name my granny knew who he was and that he was Horrible! .there was no doubting who was the top dog at middle he had a rein of terror for years and people tried to avoid him .I rate GGG as a very good fighter and he is the main man at middle if he carries on his title rein could match marvins .we shall see.

turnip, Mar 31, 2016

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Willie Maeket said: ↑

I know this is blasphemy but let's be serious. This is the only Black fighter you guys can link to Golovkin and I know why and it's not the lack of people to fight but the NAME linked to the fights.

Hagler was fighting guys that were 49-15-0 when he was WBC/WBA champion in his 53 fight and had the nerve to get a UD with the guy too.
Before Duran ate his way up to Middleweight, Haglers best win was re-matching Willie Monroe's daddy, similar to GGG beating Geale.

Hagler also rematched a bunch of guys he knocked out before and the only parts of his career that people remember are the last 4 years starting with Duran, 2 guys no one remembers, Hearns, Mugabi, and Leonard who came out of retirement and embarrassed an active fighter.

Hagler fought from 1973-1987 with only 3 names that matter to everyone.

Duran fought from 1968-2001 with names like Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez, Cuevas, Hagler , Thomas, Barkley, Camacho, Pazienza, and Joppy.

Leonard fought from 1977-1997 (with 2 retirements in between, so don't **** on Floyd) with names like Al Haymons brother Bobby Haymon:hey, Floyd's daddy Sr.:hey, Benitez, Hagler, Duran 3x, Hearns 2x, Hagler, Norris, Camacho (if he had of beat Macho he was going to fight Oscar De La Hoya).

Hearns fought from 1977-2006 (with a retirement in between) Cuevas, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Benitez, Barkley, Hill.

Erase Hagler from the rest resume and they are still great.
Erase them from Haglers and he is GGG.
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Dude, your f'd up in the head pretty bad.

ki_ote, Mar 31, 2016

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I actually agree in part.

a. Hearns at 160lbs = ELITE but not one of the TBE's from his 147-154lb days.
b. Leonard-Hearns is a fight of fallen greats, an even fight. It's a good legacy fight but Leonard of that fight was no longer one of the TBE's.
c. Hamsho, Roldan and Obelmejias were good, not 'very good'.
d. Minter was 'very good'. Duran we'd say is 'good', certainly not anywhere near great at MW.

So, that's two elite wins, 1 very good win, a host of good wins.

His greatness comes from a combination of:
1. Fab Four
2. How amazing he was against mostly good but not great opposition.

Golovkin most probably won't be anywhere near as great as Hagler because Golovkin won't really have elite wins. I don't consider Canelo an 'elite' win.

Gannicus, Mar 31, 2016

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Willie Maeket said: ↑

I know this is blasphemy but let's be serious. This is the only Black fighter you guys can link to Golovkin and I know why and it's not the lack of people to fight but the NAME linked to the fights.

Hagler was fighting guys that were 49-15-0 when he was WBC/WBA champion in his 53 fight and had the nerve to get a UD with the guy too.
Before Duran ate his way up to Middleweight, Haglers best win was re-matching Willie Monroe's daddy, similar to GGG beating Geale.

Hagler also rematched a bunch of guys he knocked out before and the only parts of his career that people remember are the last 4 years starting with Duran, 2 guys no one remembers, Hearns, Mugabi, and Leonard who came out of retirement and embarrassed an active fighter.

Hagler fought from 1973-1987 with only 3 names that matter to everyone.

Duran fought from 1968-2001 with names like Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez, Cuevas, Hagler , Thomas, Barkley, Camacho, Pazienza, and Joppy.

Leonard fought from 1977-1997 (with 2 retirements in between, so don't **** on Floyd) with names like Al Haymons brother Bobby Haymon:hey, Floyd's daddy Sr.:hey, Benitez, Hagler, Duran 3x, Hearns 2x, Hagler, Norris, Camacho (if he had of beat Macho he was going to fight Oscar De La Hoya).

Hearns fought from 1977-2006 (with a retirement in between) Cuevas, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Benitez, Barkley, Hill.

Erase Hagler from the rest resume and they are still great.
Erase them from Haglers and he is GGG.
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So taking ONE name from their resumes equals taking 3 from his Resume? How does that make sense?

SgrRyLeonard, Mar 31, 2016

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