Max Schmeling v Larry Holmes

In reference to Holme's weakness, and Schmeling's powerful and sneaky right hand, let it be said that Schmeling didn't frontline the massive one shot power of Shavers or Baer in his own time, but that was because he, I believe may have intentionally sacrificed the power of his right in favor of a faster, sneakier and more accurate delivery, as a counter punch. As Duodenum said, he would have needed to soften up Holmes with punishment first before the delivery of a big right ala his 1st fight with Louis. I don't believe that the fast, mobile Holmes would have made that possible for him. I do think that he could have hurt Holmes, and maybe even have decked him, but Holmes survived Shavers and Snipes and I believe he would have done the same, had a knockdown occurred from Schmeling as well. Again, Schmeling would have been disadvantaged in terms of size, lack of speed and mobility to bother Holmes too much.

 

I have to tell you that Holmes wasnt really much bigger than Louis. Compare their tale of the tape.

As for Holmes trying to dominate Schmeling with the jab that is the single strategy that is most likley to result in him getting beaten. I mean it is basicaly what Louis tried to do in the first fight.

Holmses mobility might be the deciding factor if he uses it corectly. Not a given.

 

Interesting matchup! There would almost certainly be some interesting moments in this fight. In my opinion, prime to prime, Larry would probably win by a decision.

 

Both Spinx and Weaver, 200lbers(same size as schmeling) and 6'0 205lb(not bigger than schmeling) tatooed holmes with right hands all night(especially weaver). Also Witherspoon and norton(whos counterpuncher style is somewhat similiar to schmeling) landed some big right hands throughout the fight.

 

Schmeling had a tremendous right hand. He was acvcurate with it, and it was deadly (though noweher enear Shavers', who flattened Holmes with one shot).

That being said, I see Holmes' speed and piston-like jab eventually weakening Maxe to the point of a possible TKO in the 12th round.

 

Well I dont know if those points are not relevant, If holmes would have been tested by a puncher who had the ability to follow up like Page,Dokes,Thomas, we may know the answers...Just because Larry survived the KD from an exausted SHAVERS AND A LIMITED SNIPES does not mean he would have been able to against a 2 fisted finisher. We do not know because he did not fight those guys who may have had that ability. Holmes weakness to the right hand was exposed but not really capitalized on the way a serious finisher would capitalise on it. Remember Shavers fought a lot of guys that took his right hand flush and did not hit the floor Lightheavyweight Vincent Rondon,Quarry,5" 9 Bob Stallings(dropped him and beat him)Tex Cobb,Ron Stander and others....So yes we give Larry credit for getting up but lets not forget that he went down hard vs Shavers (who was a puncher but not a finisher) and Snipes who was not known as either.

 

Agreed. Holmes was superior to louis in nearly every category (except punching power and combination punching). His jab was better and he had movement, something that joe didn't have. Schmeling would have to consistently be able to clock holmes and I don't see that happening. Holmes chops him up and scores a tko somewhere in mid rounds.

 

I disagree.

 

Those are actualy two prety damn critical areas here.

 

Well ihave to pick Holmes and think he defo wins. But Schmeling's right hand is of the finest ever, and the one i normally think of right away on the subject of them. It's foreseeable he lands it here definitely against a man who invests in the jab s much. Put converting that into a win against Holmes on both of their best nights is not something i would bank on personally.

 

I think you could have Frazier outside of your 10, not because of anything he did wrong, just that there are other justifiable preferences imo. And you could say he has the chance. But i would still pick Larry to beat him personally. Sorry about being argumentative McGrain! Hahaha, yeah maybe Schmeling's a better choice then.