Max Schmelling vs Mairis Briedis and Artur Beterbiev

Who wins

 

I would pick both over Max.

 

I got Max over both

 

I might have missed it, but I never knew of Beterbiev fighting over 175. Unless of course the goal here is to pit max in with him when Max was 175 himself. As for Breidis I’d make Schmeling the favorite but it would be close. Both guys were skilled and in shape most of the time.

 

I wouldn't trust Schmelling against any hard hitting fighter let alone one that is technically solid with good fundamentals like the two here. So I think both beat Schmelling without too much issue. Briedis would probably be more competitive but I think he has the toughness to eventually outlast and batter Schmelling. Beterbiev would just walk through him.

 

Beats Biev but loses to Briedis. Artur is slower than the Louis Schmeling beat and probably more hittable. He’s been hurt and dropped by lesser punchers than Max so I doubt he’d handle an accumulation of Schmeling right hand counters over a course of 12. With those tinier gloves I think Artur would get hit more considering how much he shells up and relies on that high guard.

Briedis is likely too big, durable and well rounded for Max.

 

He literally beat Joe Louis

 

Max destroys Beterbiev. No doubt about that, Schmeling made his career out of breaking tough pressure fighters.

Briedis is a tough fight though, I could see that going either way.

 

A young Joe Louis by exploiting a technical flaw he had*

 

He literally lost to Max Baer...........

 

A prime but undertrained Louis; and if he can exploit a technical flaw in Louis, he can exploit a technical flaw in Briedis or Beterbiev.

And yet before that he beat Uzcuden, Walker, Stribling and Risko. After that he beat Louis. Schmeling's career is built on beating pressure fighters; losing to Baer doesn't change that. Plus, Baer is a minimum of 6'3, 200lbs and a murderous puncher. He'd squash Beterbiev too.

 

What technical flaw do Briedis or Beterbiev have that Schmeling could exploit? Louis’ flaw was very specific, he dropped his left after jabbing and pulled straight back with his chin high. Schmeling spent months studying film to time the right hand over that exact mistake. Beterbiev doesn’t do that, he keeps a tight guard, advances behind balance, and doesn’t overcommit or leave predictable openings like that.

Who exactly did Schmeling beat that’s comparable to Beterbiev? Walker was a natural welterweight, and the others weren’t anywhere near Beterbiev’s combination of power, strength, and technical discipline. Beating smaller or technically limited pressure fighters doesn’t mean you can handle an elite, fundamentally sound puncher.

Baer was extremely crude technically and relied heavily on raw power and wide punches and yet Schmeling still couldn’t neutralize him. If Schmeling struggled with a technically flawed puncher, why would he suddenly fare better against someone like Beterbiev, who is both a hard puncher but also technically solid?

Beterbiev fought at heavyweight in the amateurs and competed against large, strong opponents. He’s physically stronger and more compact than Schmeling, and far better offensively. There’s no evidence to suggest someone as crude as Baer would be able to overpower him.

 

No, let's not back track here. You said that Schmeling shouldn't be favoured over any technical puncher - when he's literally the only man to beat the best technical puncher of all time, in his prime. Telling me why he beat Louis does not change the absolute idiocy of that first claim.

Beterbiev was dropped while off balance by Page Jr, stepping back with his chin in the air. He was also dropped by Callum Johnson because he lets his hands drift too far away from his face when he throws his hook. These are flaws, which Schmeling can and would exploit. They're also not the only thing you can exploit; Beterbiev is often very square and open to the body; he eats a ton of punches - ask Anthony Yarde - and while he has been a terminator, about 15 of his 20 KOs have been over nobodies.

I can't be arsed answering with Briedis it's been ages since I watched him, I haven't taken a stance for that reason and he's quite dull.

If you want more technical analysis than that, feel free to do it yourself.

I never said he beat anyone directly comparable to Beterbiev, I said he beat pressure fighters and then named them. Who has Beterbiev beaten who is comparable to Schmeling? Also, if you want an elite, fundamentally sound puncher - one who is bigger, far better and badder than Beterbiev, I'll offer you Joe Louis.

Fighting mostly unknown heavyweights in headgear and 16oz gloves over three rounds with the very specific and weird, amateur ruleset does not equate to fighting a 15 rounder against one of the hardest punchers of all time. Or any professional fight at
heavyweight.

 

I’m not backtracking, you’re taking one very specific stylistic win and turning it into a universal rule. Schmeling beat a 22-year-old Louis because Louis had a clear flaw, dropping his left and pulling straight back after jabbing, and Schmeling built his whole gameplan around countering it. Once Louis fixed it, Schmeling got blown out in one round. That doesn’t suggest he had some built-in advantage over every elite technical puncher.

Getting dropped doesn’t automatically mean there’s some huge exploitable weakness. Louis himself was dropped multiple times in his career by far inferior fighters. The difference is Schmeling was able to punish Louis’ mistake consistently. Page and Johnson didn’t do that, Beterbiev recovered and stopped both of them.

And Baer is a perfect example. He was powerful but technically very crude, and Schmeling still got overwhelmed. If he struggled with a guy who relied heavily on raw power and flawed technique, there’s no reason to assume he’d control someone who’s both a hard puncher and far more technically sound like Beterbiev. Not to mention how Louis completely wrecked him in a single round.

So unless Beterbiev has the same kind of consistent defensive hole Louis had in 1936, there’s no real reason to think Schmeling could exploit those flaws the same way to win.

 

You ARE back tracking. Again.

You posted - "I wouldn't trust Schmeling with any hard hitting fighter, let alone one that is technically solid with good fundamentals" - as you well know, it is that statement that George ridiculed, nothing else.

The last couple of times I've called you out on a ridiculous statement you made, you initially doubled down on them, before claiming you meant something completely different, once I'd educated you to the ignorance of your claims. So, this time let's clearly define what you meant by your above statement, right out of the gate - are you saying you wouldn't trust Schmeling with any hard hitting fighter that is technically sound and has good fundamentals, or would you like to further qualify that statement?