Mayweather Against Good Defensive Fighters

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  1. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    No. Floyd beats him at any weight, yes i agree, but not as bad as he did in thir fight at "144lbs".

    The diffrence in Juan's speed at 130lbs and 142lbs was ridiculuously noticable. Juan was slow as **** in the Floyd fight.
     
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  2. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember noticing this and being surprised. Hoya's ability to block and parry with his gloves was actually pretty good in that bout.

    I would love to see that. I'm a fan of both guys.

    They're both quick, but Mayweather has the edge in handspeed. I also prefer Mayweather's punching technique -- some of the sharpest, cleanest punches I've seen from any fighter, especially that straight right.

    Whitaker has a better jab, and used it consistently. (One of the best jabs I've seen.) He also does better work to the body. His defence is of course excellent, and also unorthodox. He's a southpaw, which complicates matters further for Floyd. Despite being a defensive boxer, he also has a high workrate, which is another bonus in his favour -- in a close round, he's likely to take it based on this. Mayweather can't walk him down, because Whitaker loves it when people try to do that. It would have to be a boxing match on the outside, and I think Whitaker's jab, workrate and southpaw stance gives him the edge here. He won't be able to hit Floyd much (they'll both struggle to connect) but he'll land enough to take rounds and win via points. Floyd can adapt, but he's facing another complete fighter for once -- Whitaker can fight going backwards, going forwards, in the pocket, against the ropes, wherever he needs to, really.
     
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  3. Ilesey

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    12 rounds of shoulder rolls.
     
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  4. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Good post. I too would favor Whitaker.
     
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  5. Peabob

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    I'm imagining someone with skills like Hopkins, but I also imagine that being the most boring fight in the world.
     
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  6. Don't Sleep

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    SRL and Sweet Pea are the only fighters to beat Floyd at LW -WW if they fought in his era, IMO.

    The reason I say he beats hearns is becuase hearns got hit pretty often and had a tendency to get tired easily which would allow Floyd to pot shot and use stamina for the victory.

    He beats Duran only b/c I see him doing what SRL did when Duran said "No Mas" ... which ws to box circles around him (though he would have to be leary of Roberto's body punching)

    He beats Terry Norris because again he got hit a lot and I think Mayweather is just a tad bit too smart for him.

    He beats Benitez becuase I think he would fight him on the inside.

    He beats Pac becuse he is too skilled
     
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  7. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

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    Someone in the mould of Tommy Hearns, obviously the real Tommy Hearns was too big for Floyd.
     
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  8. Bobo

    Bobo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Emanuel Augustus was good defensively and so natural, but he probably took the fight on like 2 hours notice lol
     
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  9. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see him beating Hearns...Hearns is a nightmare for boxer types. Floyd would have trouble trying to counterpunch against someone with that height/reach, boxing ability and speed. Same goes for the pot-shot strategy. Hearns' jab alone would be problematic, let alone that straight right he had. Floyd would have his moments, but Hearns would beat him on the cards.

    I could see him beating Duran, though. If he uses constant movement around the ring he can outbox him.
     
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  10. NotAnMMAfan

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    All defensive fighters CANNOT win against Floyd. Just like all OFFENSIVE fighters cannot win against Pac. These two if fighting against someone with similar style of offense will always win. The best style to beat PAC is Floyd and the best style to beat Floyd is Pac.
     
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  11. Moses Hightower

    Moses Hightower We're related. Full Member

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    I think that at this time, the only way anyone will beat Floyd is by applying enough pressure to make him hesitant to open up his own offense, which could garner a decision win. Castillo and Oscar had some success with this strategy. The success Corley and Judah was from counterpunching, but that didn't last long because Judah had no answer when Floyd adjusted, and Corely just didn't have the skills. I think it'll take a very intelligent fighter to beat Mayweather. He is that good.
     
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  12. Moses Hightower

    Moses Hightower We're related. Full Member

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    I think he could have easily beat Duran. Hearns could have caused him some problems, but I'm not sure he'd beat Floyd. Floyd's ability to adjust and willingness to mix it up and not falter when taking big shots could cause Hearns some problems himself.
     
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  13. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    I agree. Hearns is all wrong for Floyd.
     
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  14. kirk

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    Thats why Im one of the few that would have liked to see a prime Spinks vs Mayweather when they had the chance to make it.... most probably would have hated it but it would have been an interesting clash of styles. Spinks could be pretty slippery when he wanted to during his prime.
     
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  15. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Every fighter Floyd's fought had the plan of "I'm going to pressure him", "I'm going to hit him and make him fight", "I'm going to be aggressive", etc etc...obviously this plan isn't going to work, hence the notion to try something different.
     
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