Mayweather vs Marquez Negotiations Stalled On Weight

he ramatched duran after duran beat him. or are you talking about the 3rd fight when Duran just beat the 6 foot 1 Iran Barkley who had just knocked out Tommy Hearns? and was back to be dangerous again??
and yeah Hagler had just turned 35 and in his prime fresh off knocking out 26-0 26 kos john mugabi....while floyd wants to fight a 35 year old featherweight and last time i checked...when youre small weight like that, age is a factor. how many 35-26 year old featherweights have done what JMM has? not many.
i agree about hearns..he wanted no part of immediate rematch

 

Would PBF fight a beggar?

 

Indeedoroski. Right after because he had been tipped off that Duran struggled to maintain his weight. He rushed for a rematch as quiuckly as possible because he knew Duran was a glutton who couldn't help himself.

Again...shady...but business savvy.

What's this got to do with anything? At that point both fighters were on the schnide. Duran beat Barkley in a close fight that was more Duran turning back the clock for one night than anything Barkley did.

In an absolute war. Hagler had been in way too many of those by that timee and Leonard knew it. He waited for Hagler to have more fights like Mugabi and then decided to fight him.

Again shady...but business savvy.

I'm actually giving Leonard tons of credit. He was a smart mother ****er.

Unlike 3/4ths of the people posting in this thread, I don't have an agenda to it. I see both sides arguments and I truly believe it's posturing.

They wouldn't go into negotiations without knowing the weight the fight would be at. Basically both sides are playing mind games. Typical contract BS.

 

he beat the weakest guys who held a belt at 147...he beat "a champ" which there are 4 of.
and yeah, Hatton got his ass kicked by Collazo and took his belt...and quickly went back down to 140
and how excaly was DLH the #1 154 around back then? his previous 4 fights he lost 2 (3 if you count strum) and had kod mayorga in his only decent win. would call that a strong # 1 guy
plain and simple Mayweather has had a weak...****ing WEAK last 6 years...for someone who **** talks as much as him and his fans


2003 Philip Ndou
2004 CHOP CHOP
2005 Henry Brussels
2005 GATTI
2006 SHARMBA MITCHELL
2006 Judah (coming off a loss to Baldimor)
2006 Baldimor
2007 DLH
2008 Hatton

so in the last 7 years this is the resume of a great fighter?

 

140 he was forced to go through bad fights and match ups.

Floyd wanted a title at 140. The best available, was Gatti.

Hatton didn't want any part of Floyd yet.

Cotto was considered green.

Zoo fought for Showtime and later lost to Hatton.

Gatti wanted to fight Mayweather without a title but Mayweather said no, and the WBC put Mayweather through eliminators.

Corley and Brussles were both eliminators.

Mind you this is Flyods 3rd weight class.

Now add his 4TH weight class at 147.

Then a 5th weight class against DLH, who had lost to Hopkins and I guess a roided Mosley?

 

so shame on Ray for having balls to fight someone who just kicked his ass? so i guess if there were rumors of duran not making weight...it must be true....boxing has a 100 rumors a day
yeah Leonard looks smart AFTER the fact...before the fact people were calling him an idiot and were fearful he would get hurt..... yes he was smart..but had huge balls...yeah he had a plan...but you have to execute it

as for Duran fighting Barkely
it means he fights people who are on a hot streak, not guys hes favored over 15-1
Margarito was just destroyed by Mosley....not many people calling him out..especially Floyd.....

 

so mandatorys make it ok? when you have 4 divisions...you have 1 guy under each champ who is usally a "mandatory" while that may be true..being a mandatory by the wbc could mean they are still the 8th or 9th best fighter in the divsion
i realize 147 was his 4th weight division....but he mainly jumped in and fought the weakest champ there was.....big deal.
you made alot of points....just not any that helps floyds case to be an all time great. bottom line, the last 7 years has been BAD........
with Hatton being the only live guy on there...DLH had been shot for a while

 

You can really argue for both sides till your blue in the face I mean if marquez really wanted to fight mayweather, then shouldn't marquez make the concession on the weight, but then you can say after a year and a half out does mayweather still have the pull to make JMM jump to his tune.

 

Aye Dios,Leonard ADMITTED to doing it on Duran's Beyond The Glory FSN Special.

Leonard ADMITS that was his strategy.

Smart and savvy.

Nobody is saying he didn't have balls. Savvy but shady.

...What? I'm not following you...I don't think I'm alone either.

Are you suggesting Floyd fight Mosley? If so, You guys do remember that Shane was offered a fight with Floyd...and TURNED IT DOWN so that Oscar could get to Floyd first...right?

Just so we're all on the same page here.

 

They dont make it okay, but Floyd wanted to be a 3 division champ. He was ducked big time at 140.

At 147, you seem to blame him that Baldomir was the champ. Like if he predicted the future. Do you think he expected Baldomir to win?

 

ok, well im saying Leonard has balls...floyd doesnt

and Yeah leonard did say that...but hes trying to make himself look even smarter..i mean the rematch was ONLY 5 months later! how much weight could the guy gain? i dont buy it...there was probably a rematch clause...if not, thts one of the quickest negotions for a non planned immediate rematch

 

who were the other champs at 147 at the time he fought baldomir and judah at 147?

Cotto - WBA
Margarito- WBO

judah owned the IBF belt when they fought, even though he just got his ass handed to him by baldomir

path of least resistance

no matter how you spin it

 

Cotto didn't win his VACATE belt until after Mayweather beat Baldomir.

Margarito held the WBO title against the likes of who? A loss to Santos at 154, he beat Cintron and Manuel ****ing Gomez.

He fought Clottey AFTER Mayweather fought Baldomir.

Margo was offered a fight against Floyd as the headline of the PPV which would of probably turned regular WCB HBO when Judah lost to Baldomir.

He and Arum turned it down.

Mayweather after the Baldomir fight goes after DLH at 154. Which is a fight everyone wanted to see.

When Floyd is done fighting DLH.

Cotto still has a fight set up with Judah.

Margo has a fight with Williams set up.


All the while Mosley is fighting at 154 during the 06 year against Vargas.

Fights Collazo and then takes nearly the whole year off, a tooth ache correct?


Cotto beats Judah, everyone claims he did it better than Mayweather. Which to a degree he did, although Judah had not fought a year and had not won in two years.

Margo goes on to LOSE to Paul Williams.

Mosley opts to fight Cotto who after his showing against Judah was not even near ready for Mayweather.


Seems like a timing issue.

Mosley turned down a match, so did Margo.

Cotto wasn't even a champ when you think he was.

Margo loses during Floyds reign knocking him off the chart.


You sir have failed.

 

thats not my arguement at all. i'm simply stating the obvious which is mayweather-pacquiao will get it on assuming pac handles business with hatton.

floyd needs a tune up fight and who better than pac's nemesis. and whether people like hearing it or not, jmm is the lowest risk/highest reward fight for floyd.

 

i wouldn't mind seeing floyd vs Paul Williams @ 154