McClellen if he never got injured

lol stop it

 

I would have LOVED to see Toney-Gerald.

 

Pretty sure theres some top level sparring of the pair of them going at it from the kronk gym from back in 1990. Probably seen it mate but just incase you werent aware of it.

 

Which is the point bud, we'll never actually know if he had his number after the first round without rabbit punching, well, because he continually rabbit punched.

 

This just doesn't fly with me. Things did occur, we don't get to give him a free pass and act like they never did. If a woman gets raped, just because the guy gets away with it, did he not still **** her? Just because the ref didn't do his job properly, doesn't mean we can turn a blind eye to what actually occurred. Benn was doing very dangerous rule breaching and continued to do so, even after he was warned numerous times. We see it, it happened. So a guy continues to do something that can cause another fighter irreparable damage, and has been banned from being used, a fighter does get irreparable damage by the time the fight is over... and it's all okay because G Man get a little test in the pre fight new conference? Sorry, doesn't fly with me.

 

You're going on like this is the only fight in history where the rules were broken....did Benn intentionally head butt....no, did he hit consistently below the belt...no, did he use plaster of Paris in his gloves or remove padding...no, did he bite his ear off....no. It was a fight between 2 men who loved a war and lived for the brutal KO without any real regard for their opponents health when they were in the moment....Benn and McClellan threw everything with ill intent. Ffs it's a fight not a tickling contest. The referee is there to penalise indiscretions and if he fails to do so why blame benn?

 

The same reason my analogy illustrates the point. So because somebody gets away with ****... would you say... well he's a rough guy.. he grew up on the streets... he grew up with violence in his home... A judge failed to penalize his indiscretions, so why blame the guy for ****? Is that how things logically work in your world? It doesn't in mine. Benn committed FLAGRANT DANGEROUS fouling OVER AND OVER again. What is so unclear about that. Is there not a reason why this punch was banned from boxing? I'm sure you full well know it was banned because of the damage it can cause correct? Yet that is okay in your mind, because G-Man was a rough and tumble kind of guy? Doesn't cut it. The argument doesn't flow. You want it to flow because you have some deep seeded love for Benn or something. I'm not even a Gman guy at all, but I call a spade a spade. Try it sometime

Nobody is saying boxing isn't a violent sport, so this whole ticking notion was rather comical. You do realize people win fights all the time without using illegal tactics like rabbit punches. Just because it's boxing, doesn't mean anything goes. Rules are rules, Benn dangerously broke the rules, and a fighter got severely injured afterwards. Was it the sole cause, no, was it a contributing factor to it happening... unquestionably yes. But hey, Gman got a little testy in the new conference, so anything goes right.... Jesus.

 

I think he was fighting on borrowed time anyways, honestly. I wouldn't have predicted things to have turned out as badly as they did for him from a health perspective, but the wheels were going to fall off sooner rather than later even if he'd knocked out Benn.

His behavior was growing more and more erratic, his skills were eroding as he'd fallen more and more in love with his power (The Jackson I fight saw him taking a ton of punishment and he was losing the fight, but the size difference proved too much to overcome for the Hawk). And, although he'd boxed a shockingly low number of rounds and few rated opponents (prior to Benn, he'd boxed less than 80 rounds professionally and Julian Jackson was the only world-level fighter he'd fought), the signs that he'd taken too much damage from hard sparring and the Jackson I fight were already popping up.

 

What you say is all valid but, Benn was hit several times while his ass was out the ring, not exactly in the rule book either. This was never going to be a fairly or politely contested fight between these 2 guys and yeah I agree that Benn fought dirty. I just don't think that you should be blaming Benn solely for the outcome of the fight. It was pretty obvious in hindsight that McClellan was far from healthy, what with the blinking and struggling for breath. Maybe Benn's rabbit punching contributed to McClellan's downfall, ultimately we'll never know. Benn was fighting for his survival in there as well and was likely only a few blows away from being permanently damaged himself. Benn after all spent about a week in hospital himself and was urinating blood for 3 days.
I'm not justifying what Benn did either, but if the ref is too blind or too stupid to penalise him then who are we to criticise. I'm pretty sure that the overhand rights, left hooks and uppercuts Benn landed had more effect than the in clinch rabbit punching. If Manny Steward had have been in the corner, he would have pulled the ref up on Benn's fouling and maybe things would have been different. He would have been more aware of McClellan's distress and pulled him out. McClellan would have been in better shape for the fight and more tactically astute. Maybe if his sister hadn't insisted McClellan be flown back to the US only a matter of days after surgery.
So many factors were at play in this fight, I just think it's disingenuous to focus on one aspect that "may" have contributed to the fights conclusion and downplays what was an incredible performance from Benn.

 

Thank you, just watched. Toney looked like lotion in there.

 

??? I agree he would be a live dog.

You know dog means underdog right?

 

Who do you think got the best of the sparring sessions?

 

I will say this, I think the outcome of the fight is called into question because of Benn's dirty tactics. It marred what would've been a damn impressive win. The ref's incompetence was truly buffoonery at its finest. That said, Benn showed a lot of heart and courage in there and did fight for his survival that night. I give him loads of great for the heart and grit he showed that night.

 

No. Benn was up on his feet outside the ring before 10 secs were up. No case to answer here.

So few boxing fans know this rule:
"If a fighter falls outside the ring and ring apron, he will have 20 seconds to come back to the ring without assistance, unless the referee orders it."